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Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« on: Sunday 07 August 22 01:43 BST (UK) »
Earlier this year I began seriously tracing my family history.  I've found the experience strangely therapeutic, often frustrating but always rewarding.  I have used mainly online resources and at times reached out to several organisations and individuals to no avail, no one seems to reply.  Reluctantly I am asking for help and advice with the following, I say reluctantly as I feel like its 'cheating' but I have reached the 'brickwall'.

I am trying to trace where my Great Grandparents were buried, their details are below:

Margaret (Maggie) Sinclair, nee McGhee born 19 June 1874, died 29th November 1909 (Baptised 28th June 1874 St Patrick's Coatbridge, married 28th November 1890 St Bridget, Baillieston).  Death registered Coatbridge her age and mothers maiden name were incorrect on the death register.  Her dad was John McGhee (1843-1915) and mother Mary McIntyre (1847-1918).

William Sinclair born 18 September 1869, died 6th January 1939 (baptised 27th October 1869 St Patrick's Coatbridge, married 28th November 1890 St Bridget, Baillieston).  Death registered in Old Monkland Western District.  His dad was John Sinclair (1835-1921) and mother Jane Kelly (1836-1877).

At the time of their deaths both lived in the Bargeddie area of Coatbridge.  All their children were born in this area and all baptised from St Bridget's in Baillieston.  They had three children who died in infancy and all three deaths were registered in Coatbridge or Old Monkland district.  All three children were buried in the common ground areas of Dalbeth St Peter's.  I assumed that both Maggie and William were also buried here however they do not appear on the Dalbeth burial records that appear online at Scotland's People.  Is there any way of finding out where they were buried, Old Monkland Cemetery is close by and would be a likely alternative to Dalbeth St Peter's.  St Joseph's in Airdire is also an option.

In June I emailed the Scottish Catholic Archive and got an automated out of office reply and then a reply from an archivist saying she was on holiday until 12th July and thus had no access to her records but she would pass my query on to the Dalbeth staff.  I heard nothing back so I emailed again on July 19th but again have had no reply.  Can anyone tell me if this is typical?  As I am a carer I don't really get time to visit places but last week I had a free morning and decided to set off to Dalbeth (promising my wife who is the driver that there is a Range store nearby), there the ground staff said they only keep ten years worth of record on site.  :(

I also have a burial record for William's father John Sinclair who was buried in St Peter's Dalbeth on 8th November 1921 aged 86, he was buried in one of the three common ground areas.  However unlike any of the other records I got from Scotland's People the record has the number 320 written after his place of death, on the same page eleven more people have the number 320 while others have 317, 318, 319 etc.  Does anyone know the significance of these numbers, might they help identify which area of Common Ground John is buried in?
 
Any help or advice on my next steps would be fantastic and greatly appreciated,
Dean

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Re: Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 December 22 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I have just spotted this post and I have John Sinclair, son of Alexander Sinclair marrying Jane Kelly in 1857 in Shettleston. John Sinclair is my great grand uncle. Are we looking at the same family?
Sinclair: Lanarkshire & Antrim; McDougall: Bute; Ramsay: Invernesshire; Thomson & Robertson: Perthshire; Brown: Argyll; Scott: Ayrshire: Duff: Fife.

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Re: Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« Reply #2 on: Monday 12 December 22 01:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi SonofThom, we are indeed looking for the same family.  I should say a while back I asked a moderator to close this thread as I had found the answers I was looking for but with your reply I am now glad it was left open.

John Sinclair (1835-1921) is my Great Great Granda, he married Jane Kelly (1836-1877) and Margaret Hislop/Diamond (1848-1907).  I have his siblings as being:
James Sinclair 1833-1881
Alexander Sinclair 1841-?
Robert Sinclair 1844-?
Richard Sinclair 1850-?
Helen Sinclair 1851-?
Jane Sinclair 1854-?

John was buried in common ground in Dalbeth cemetery, the number after the burials referred to a grave number which were apparently double width lairs that held eight adult coffins.  Sadly they do not help identify which of the three sections he is in.

It turns out my Great Granny Margaret Sinclair (McGhee/McGeechan/McGeehan) was indeed buried in the common ground in Dalbeth in 1909.  After being told by the people in the know she was not buried there and after I ruled out everywhere else I thought she could be, I checked Dalbeth's records myself and what they transcribed as Maggie Smelair was in fact Maggie Sinclair, a trailing 'Y' from a name above made it look like Smelair.  Another lesson I learned is always check the original documents yourself.  I also actually discovered we were initially on the trail of the wrong Margaret, my Great Granny was actually born 1868 in Ireland.

My Great Granda William was buried in his own lair in Old Monkland Cemetery in 1939 and I have visited the grave several times now and we are planning on erecting a stone once my mum gets the lair transferred.

I am interested to know which of John's siblings you decend from.  Feel free to PM me and we can compare notes and see how we are related.

Dean

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Re: Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« Reply #3 on: Monday 26 June 23 18:04 BST (UK) »
Hi , My grandfather was Joseph Cater Sinclair..

MARGARET CARTER 1884
• ROBERT SINCLAIR 1884
children
JOSEPH CARTER SINCLAIR B. 18/09/1909 B|BI
THOMAS SINCLAIR 1910
AGNES SINCLAIR 1912 SON TERRANCE 1
ETHEL SINCLAIR--MERTZ 1914 SON JEROME
MARY SINCLAIR 1916
ROBERT SINCLAIR 1918
NORA SINCLAIR 1920

Thanks
Paul Russell Sinclair.


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Re: Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 June 23 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul,

I've had a quick look on my tree and don't seem to have any matching names and dates.  We have quite a few Robert Sinclair's but none matching yours, maybe you are a branch of the tree I am missing?

Dean

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Re: Finding the graves of Margaret (McGhee) and William Sinclair
« Reply #5 on: Friday 30 June 23 17:31 BST (UK) »
MARGARET CARTER 1884• ROBERT SINCLAIR 1884
children
JOSEPH CARTER SINCLAIR B. 18/09/1909
THOMAS SINCLAIR 1910
AGNES SINCLAIR 1912 SON TERRANCE 1
ETHEL SINCLAIR--MERTZ 1914 SON JEROME
MARY SINCLAIR 1916
ROBERT SINCLAIR 1918
NORA SINCLAIR 1920

MiLLIE HARBOUR 1913 KNOWN AS MILLICENT JONES
children
MILLICENT PATRICIA 1932 BERNARD 1933 Died 1933
MiLLIE HARBOUR 1913 KNOWN AS MILLICENT JONES
MARRIED
JOSEPH CARTER SINCLAIR 1909 23JUNE 1935

Millicent Harbour Known has Millicent Jones , Millicent Harber
Millie HARBOUR 1913 KNOWN AS MILLICENT JONES
children MILLICENT PATRICIA 1932 BERNARD 1933 Died 1933
MILLIE HARBOUR 1913 KNOWN AS MILLICENT JONES
MARRIED JOSEPH CARTER SINCLAIR 1909 23JUNE 1935

ROBERT 1935 5 VEGA ST. CHEETHAM MANCHESTER (My Dad).
JOSEPHINE 1938 5 VEGA ST. CHEETHAM MANCHESTER
KENNETH 1947 14 CHARLEY ST. SALFORD