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Requesting help to read date on Daly family headstone
« on: Monday 01 August 22 14:56 BST (UK) »
Hi - I'm looking for help to read the date on this Daly family headstone.  Also, if there is any context on the style/period of the writing, particularly the spelling of died - "Dide"

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Re: Requesting help to red date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #1 on: Monday 01 August 22 15:43 BST (UK) »

You've posted in Ireland Resources which is for resources not queries.

I have asked a moderator to move your request to the Ireland General board where you might find an answer.


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Re: Requesting help to red date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #2 on: Monday 01 August 22 15:52 BST (UK) »
I think it says February 12th 39/40 which would probably be 1539/1540. There was a change between Gregorian and Julien calendars around 1552 I believe, but not sure about this, and others may correct me.
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Re: Requesting help to red date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #3 on: Monday 01 August 22 16:26 BST (UK) »
I think it's 1739/40 (written 173940), which would be 1739 Old Style and 1740 New Style.

In England the calendar changed in 1752, but I don't know when it did in Ireland. (I probably should.)


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Re: Requesting help to red date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 August 22 16:34 BST (UK) »
There was no set way of spelling so "dide" isn't significant. "Monoment" is spelled monument now.
The big letters IHS at the top centre is a Christogram, a monogram symbolising Jesus Christ, an abbreviation of Jesus in Greek.
Is it original or a replacement/copy? It seems very well-preserved.

I think it says February 12th 39/40 which would probably be 1539/1540. There was a change between Gregorian and Julien calendars around 1552 I believe, but not sure about this, and others may correct me.
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The calendar changed from Julian to Gregorian in many countries on the continent of Europe in 1582. They were mainly Catholic countries as the change was led by King Philip of Spain, a Catholic monarch who ruled several European countries, and the Pope.
The Gregorian calendar was adopted by Catholic clergy in some places in Ireland but not by the Church of Ireland. That resulted in anomalies such as the date of a person's burial being recorded days before the date of death, or a will dated after a death date. Ireland officially changed to the Gregorian calendar in1752, the same time as England.
Scotland adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1600.

Year on the monument looks to me more like 1739/40 than 1539/40. If it was 1539/40 it's not an original inscription. It may not be original if the year is 1739/40.
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Re: Requesting help to read date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 August 22 16:46 BST (UK) »
thanks arthurk and Maiden Stone.  The headstone is in Saint Mary's Church Of Ireland graveyard in Streete, Westmeath.   https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/15400201/st-marys-church-of-ireland-church-barradrum-streete-westmeath

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Re: Requesting help to read date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 02 August 22 10:30 BST (UK) »
As for "dide" it may be an alternate spelling as has been suggested, but stone cutters simply make mistakes. I have seen many.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Requesting help to read date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 02 August 22 13:42 BST (UK) »
As regards OP's comment that this headstone is in a Church of Ireland graveyard, I think I should point out that it does not at all follow that this is a CofI family. At the time the only graveyards were those of the established church so everyone was, perforce, buried in them. In fact the internal evidence from this headstone is that this was a Catholic family - viz, the "IHS".
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Requesting help to read date on Daly family headstone
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 02 August 22 13:50 BST (UK) »
I can confirm that that this was a catholic family.   The plot also includes my Aunts, Great Aunts, Grandparents, and Great Grandparents.