William Eden Hook Norton

[Zakerias]

Reopening Pandora's box here but this one has stumped me for well over a year.

This question has been asked before but after 10 years I think it's worth another look:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=515366
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=514993
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=517696

Looking for a 'William Eden' who was born c. 1813 in supposed Barford St. Michael, Oxfordshire. He married Mary Ann Phipps in Hook Norton on 20th April 1834 (Wits - Thomas Eden, Arminda ? Edden) and is believed to have 7 children with her. The only census record I have for him is 1851 in Hook Norton (age 37) living with his wife and three children. No idea when he died but interestingly his wife can easily be found in the 1861, 1871 and 1881 census (indicating that William may work away) and she is never listed as a widow.

A fresh pair of eyes might be good on this - I know some of you like a challenge. I may be able to take a detour to Hook Norton in December but we'll have to see.

Many thanks
Zak

[amondg]

I would look at emigration as he is never seen again after 1851 and Mary Ann has no other children after 1851.

Mary Ann would assume she was still married until she heard otherwise, but on the marriage certificate he made his mark so unsure if he would be able to write to her.

Did any of the Phipps family emigrate, people rarely go alone they usually go in a group or are meeting a relative who went ahead.

[rosie99]

There is a William Eden in Ontario Canada in 1871 who was born England age 58 
Ontario, Canada, Federal Census Of 1871 Ontario Index, 1871 (District Elgin East)

I have not read your other posts to see if this has already been suggested

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William Eden 58 Married
Hannah 34 Married
James 20
all born England

[Zakerias]

I would look at emigration as he is never seen again after 1851 and Mary Ann has no other children after 1851.

Mary Ann would assume she was still married until she heard otherwise, but on the marriage certificate he made his mark so unsure if he would be able to write to her.

Did any of the Phipps family emigrate, people rarely go alone they usually go in a group or are meeting a relative who went ahead.

There is a fairly comprehensive family tree for the Phipps family at : http://marisancestry.co.uk/Reports/George%20Phipps.pdf

I think the Phipps family were the opposite, with many staying local. You're right though, I can find absolutely no trace of William Eden post-1851.

There is a William Eden in Ontario Canada in 1871 who was born England age 58 
Ontario, Canada, Federal Census Of 1871 Ontario Index, 1871 (District Elgin East)

I have not read your other posts to see if this has already been suggested

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William Eden 58 Married
Hannah 34 Married
James 20
all born England

Hello, no this hasn't been suggested before. Unfortunately I don't have access to international documents. William is the correct age but having a son that was born 1851 doesn't seem right.

I've tried looking in a few directories of the 1850s for Hook Norton but William is not mentioned.

[Dundee]

The Canada census is freely available online.  Hannah is unlikely to be the mother of James and Robert.  Although relationships are not stated in 1871, Robert named his mother as Hannah when he married, (William) James named his mother as Betsy.  Both said they were born in Belmont, England, which I assume is Lancashire.

William Eden 58 Married
Hannah 34 Married
James 20
all born England

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1871&op=img&id=4396286_00697

The next page has Robert, 25, John H., 12, Mary A., 11, Elizabeth, 6, Hannah, 4, Charles 7 months.

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1871&op=img&id=4396286_00698

Hannah's surname on Charles' birth registration is ROWE.

Given the ages of Robert and James, this probably isn't your William.

Debra 

[RobertHauteville]

Was he listed as Eton not Eden?
Was he in the military?
Was he imprisoned?
Was he transported to Australia?

[Zakerias]

I'm always hopeful as some long-standing mysteries that I've had have been solved. Alas, two years have passed since making this thread and I'm no closer to an answer. I've recently reached out to the Hook Norton Local History Group should they have any further insight.

Not much on the record itself, his daughter Amelia (Mele) died 1863 and was buried in the Baptist Burial Ground in Hook Norton: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/264038059/mel%C3%A8-amelia-eden

[billseary]

I wonder whether you have looked at any of the Oxfordshire Black Sheep booklets?

Some years ago I was involved in producing a name index to the whole series for the  Oxfordshire Family History Society. This includes the following for William Eden (etc). The first number is the reference for the booklet concerned, the second on is page numbers(s).

Edden   William   9   6   Calendars of Prisoners tried at Oxford Quarter Sessions and Assize Courts 1831-1835
Edden   William   19   29   Banished ! Sentences of Transportation from Oxfordshire Courts 1787-1867 ; Surnames C to E
Eddens   William   53   59   Childhood Secrets Volume 10 - children sent to Reformatories and Industrial Schools in Bristol, Cheshire, Essex, London, Surrey and Sussex
Eden   William   3   20   Oxfordshire Constabulary Recruitment Register 1878-1904
Eden   William   11   36   Calendars of Prisoners tried at Oxford Quarter Sessions and Assize Courts 1840-1842
Eden   William   22   7   Banished ! Sentences of Transportation from Oxfordshire Courts 1787-1867 ; Surnames O to S
Eden   William   39   39,67   Banbury Workhouse Records 1835-1843
Eden   William   48   62   Wanted ! Military Deserters, Absconded Apprentices and Runaways 1802-1903
Edens   William   53   59,60   Childhood Secrets Volume 10 - children sent to Reformatories and Industrial Schools in Bristol, Cheshire, Essex, London, Surrey and Sussex

Some of these look promising for explaining a disappearance - though not, I think the "childhood" ones.

Sadly, the booklets are no longer being printed. OFHS still have a few of them for sale. Otherwise you will probably need to find a library that holds them. The Oxfordshire History Centre should have them all.

Good luck!

Bill

[Zakerias]

Thanks Bill. I can see some of those listed here: https://www.ofhs.uk/shop/Oxfordshire-Black-Sheep-Publications-c48768094

Probably the one I'd be most interested in are the banished ones. Alas.. some aren't listed and those that are, are sold out.

The Hook Norton Local History group got back to me but there was nothing that they could add.