DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL

[Maiden Stone]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

Has a baptism been found for Bridget Hennessy, daughter of Thomas Hennessy of Lisvarrinane?

[lillibelle57]

Is Ballyshurdane a possibility?

[shanreagh]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

So if this age is correct then a Bridget having children at age 11 -13 in Ireland may not be her! Though could be a relation.

Very sad that the records are on Anc**try.  Put a large number of people out of contention for being able to help.  I will have a look at the cut-down library copy I am able to access from home however and see what I can find. 

[shanreagh]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

Has a baptism been found for Bridget Hennessy, daughter of Thomas Hennessy of Lisvarrinane?

Just to clarify is this the Bridget with the mother Bridget Cleary?  The one who may have married Jeremiah Dwyer? 

I am wondering if Thomas had a children out of marriage but this won't work if the DNA goes back to Thomas AND Bridget. 

I will have a look for a Bridget Hennessy born c 1830. 

[Maiden Stone]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

Has a baptism been found for Bridget Hennessy, daughter of Thomas Hennessy of Lisvarrinane?

Just to clarify is this the Bridget with the mother Bridget Cleary?  The one who may have married Jeremiah Dwyer? 

Yes. I thought that if we knew when she was baptised, it would help us to estimate when she might have married and had children.

[Lisa in California]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

So if this age is correct then a Bridget having children at age 11 -13 in Ireland may not be her! Though could be a relation.

Very sad that the records are on Anc**try.  Put a large number of people out of contention for being able to help.  I will have a look at the cut-down library copy I am able to access from home however and see what I can find.

I am very willing to help and I can easily access records.  I must admit, I temporarily gave up searching in the U.S. as I believe we had a few questions for lillibelle57/Deb that weren’t necessarily being answered. My apologies if I am incorrect and our questions were answered. (I don’t have the time right now to plow through the pages - maybe I can do so later tonight.)

[Lisa in California]

I  am interested in Michael Welch, Elk, Delaware County 1860. He seems to be almost too good to not be John 's brother. I had seen him, but didn't get to follow up…

In the last year, I have begun to wonder if perhaps John Welch had a criminal past, or was adopted. Perhaps he isn't who he said he was? Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family. Debbie, another cousin and I have searched in vain for 30+ years. I am hoping someone here can make it happen. Perhaps that will be through Michael…

…You said “Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family.”  May I ask exactly what that means, please?  You don’t have any matches with Welch descendants or you have very few?  Your reply could steer us in the right direction.

I have been trying to figure out how to send you the records that I have found. Spent today searching for more info. I think I have John and Bridget, but then also realized that the dates for the families are all over from 1830's to 1860's, and that just isn't possible. I took screenshots. Is there any way to send those to you?

I found a marriage, and several baptism records. The DNA really did not take me any further back than the generations of the Welch family in Iowa. They are all my cousins and people that I know, or.can trace back to someone I know.

Thanks again,Lilli

I was curious, so I looked for the last question I had for lillibelle57. Is there any proof that the DNA is from the Welch side and not the Hennesy side?  I think someone also asked how strong the matches were (sorry cannot think of the correct terminology right now) for Welch/Hennesy but if they in fact did ask, maybe that has already been answered? 

[Lisa in California]

Posted in error.

[shanreagh]

I  am interested in Michael Welch, Elk, Delaware County 1860. He seems to be almost too good to not be John 's brother. I had seen him, but didn't get to follow up…

In the last year, I have begun to wonder if perhaps John Welch had a criminal past, or was adopted. Perhaps he isn't who he said he was? Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family. Debbie, another cousin and I have searched in vain for 30+ years. I am hoping someone here can make it happen. Perhaps that will be through Michael…

…You said “Our DNA doesn't show much on the Welch side of the family.”  May I ask exactly what that means, please?  You don’t have any matches with Welch descendants or you have very few?  Your reply could steer us in the right direction.

I have been trying to figure out how to send you the records that I have found. Spent today searching for more info. I think I have John and Bridget, but then also realized that the dates for the families are all over from 1830's to 1860's, and that just isn't possible. I took screenshots. Is there any way to send those to you?

I found a marriage, and several baptism records. The DNA really did not take me any further back than the generations of the Welch family in Iowa. They are all my cousins and people that I know, or.can trace back to someone I know.

Thanks again,Lilli

I was curious, so I looked for the last question I had for lillibelle57. Is there any proof that the DNA is from the Welch side and not the Hennesy side?  I think someone also asked how strong the matches were (sorry cannot think of the correct terminology right now) for Welch/Hennesy but if they in fact did ask, maybe that has already been answered?

No no info really given on DNA matches from either side.  I think they have said the Hennessy ones match to Thomas & Bridget Cleary Hennessy but no info other than than that. No info about Welch/Walsh matches. We did find a lots of info about a Bridget Hennessy who seemed to be from the family of Thomas & Bridget Cleary Hennessy but have not looked for a baptism for this Bridget yet.  She married a Jeremiah Dwyer may be a different one  to the Bridget Hennessy who was in Iowa US. 

I thought I would help again after Lillibelle gave some new baptisms for children but unfortunately the refs are to A/try dBs rather than the freely available NLI parish registers.  The children are born 1841-1846 and so not really in contention for the Iowa Bridget Hennessy  born c 1830 according to the 1860 census.  (unless she has was born earlier, but put a later date so as not to be older than her spouse.