DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL

[shanreagh]

I have been trying to figure out how to send you the records that I have found. Spent today searching for more info. I think I have John and Bridget, but then also realized that the dates for the families are all over from 1830's to 1860's, and that just isn't possible. I took screenshots. Is there any way to send those to you?

I found a marriage, and several baptism records. The DNA really did not take me any further back than the generations of the Welch family in Iowa. They are all my cousins and people that I know, or.can trace back to someone I know.


Thanks again,Lilli

It is possible to attach them to a post here.  That is preferable or else describe where the document is from so we can search ourselves ie provide a link. 
Or if that is not possible then describe what is stated on the document. 

What did the DNA have for the family of Bridget back in Ireland?  Were there any links?  You will see that the possibly the Bridget from the Cleary Hennessy family married a Dwyer and may have stayed in Ireland.  So any tips from the Hennessy side of things would be useful too. 

A couple of links to show how to add attachments
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html

https://www.rootschat.com/help/posting.php#add_attach

[lillibelle57]

Hello All. I am Deb's cousin, Lilli. I am also interested in finding John and Bridget. The answer to one question is that our DNA did link us to Thomas and Bridget Cleary Hennessy.
One other interesting story in this is that spoken family lore is that John Welch was said to have been from Maryborough, Queens County. There was also a word in there that looked like "Ballynorman" but recently I am wondering if it could be Ballyporeen..?

Welcome Lilli.
Thanks for that information.
It explains why Deb posted a page of handwritten transcriptions of Walsh baptisms in 1826 & 1827 from a Maryborough register. See reply 32 by dwelch (Deb) and my response in reply 35. I think they are on page 3 of the thread.
Link to the page for Maryborough R.C. parish in National page of  Catholic Registers collection online:
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0714
Variant form of parish name Portlaoise. A map shows location of Maryborough parish and outlines of other parishes in the county and outlines of other counties. You can zoom in & out of the map. County Laois is next to County Tipperary. Tipperary is a large county in area and the only one in Ireland which was divided into Ridings (divisions of a county for local  purposes).
Baptism and marriage registers for Maryborough date from May and April 1826 respectively. If John was born in Maryborough parish before May 1826 there won't be a record of his baptism. However, if he had younger siblings born there, they may be in the register.

Baptism and marriage registers for  date from May and April 1826 respectively. If John was born in Maryborough parish before May 1826 there won't be a record of his baptism.[/center]However, if he had younger siblings born there, they may be in the register.

[lillibelle57]

I'm still trying. I was looking at the Ireland, Catholic Pari a h Registers. National Library of Ireland. Page 121 of 185 shows January  4, 1841 baptism . 
Portalaise, Maryborough

Same link shows page 136 of 185,  January2, 1843 Catherine baptism, daughter of John Welch and Bridget Hennessy.. Can anyone read that location?

Again, same link shows p 151 of 185. March 2, 1845 Mary, daughter of John Welch and Bridget Hennessy

Again, p.161 of 185 shows October 11, 1846 baptism for John of John Welch/Bridget Hennessy.

If anyone sees anything here, please let me know. I'm still trying to learn. Thanks, Lilli

[shanreagh]

I'm still trying. I was looking at the Ireland, Catholic Pari a h Registers. National Library of Ireland. Page 121 of 185 shows January  4, 1841 baptism . 
Portalaise, Maryborough

Same link shows page 136 of 185,  January2, 1843 Catherine baptism, daughter of John Welch and Bridget Hennessy.. Can anyone read that location?

Again, same link shows p 151 of 185. March 2, 1845 Mary, daughter of John Welch and Bridget Hennessy

Again, p.161 of 185 shows October 11, 1846 baptism for John of John Welch/Bridget Hennessy.

If anyone sees anything here, please let me know. I'm still trying to learn. Thanks, Lilli

I have had a quick look but the page numbers are confusing me. I really want to help as I think these may lead to Bridget's parents etc.....as while they may be from the same place as the Thomas/Bridget Hennessy ancestors she may be from a different family. 

Do you have any idea when Bridget was born?  if the dates from the 1860 are to be believed then these births at Maryborough would make her very young at marriage

Are you looking on this site? 

https://registers.nli.ie/

from these registers
Maryborough | Microfilm 04201 / 08

On 31/1/1841 there is a Joseph of John Walsh and Marianne (?) Smyth

The first January entry I can see is
Jeremiah Delany on 3/1/1841

What is the link that you are using please?

[Maiden Stone]

I have had a quick look but the page numbers are confusing me.

Do you have any idea when Bridget was born?  if the dates from the 1860 are to be believed then these births at Maryborough would make her very young at marriage

Are you looking on this site? 

https://registers.nli.ie/

from these registers
Maryborough | Microfilm 04201 / 08

What is the link that you are using please?

I couldn't find baptisms of children to John Walsh & Bridget Hennessy on those dates either in the Maryborough registers on NLI website.
Maryborough registers https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0714
Microfilm 04201/08
I scrolled back & forth a bit in case there was more than 1 run of dates.
The next register on the website Microfilm 04201/09 , baptisms 1845- is mainly an index, arranged in alphabetical order by initial letter of surname of child, then by year. It also contains some transcriptions. Pages for W don't have any entries which match the baptisms noted by Lilli.
There may be more than 1 run of baptisms. Click on more information option at foot of page.

I noticed baptism of twins John & Dan?, parents Mick Hennessy & Mary Walsh, in 1846.
 

[lillibelle57]

Check out this record I found on the Ancestry mobile app
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29853012?h=871b89

[lillibelle57]

Bridget was 30 years old in the 1860 Federal census. Living in Greely, Elk Township, Delaware County, Iowa with husband John Welch and 3 children.

[Maiden Stone]

Check out this record I found on the Ancestry mobile app
https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/29853012?h=871b89

2nd March 1845 Mary. Parents John Walsh & Bridget Hennessy. Sponsors Patrick Hennessy, Ellen Hannan.
Residence Bally...dane
The same residence is on opposite page. 17th Feb. Margaret Hennessy, father Thomas. Ballysundane? (I think it goes with that baptism; lines are at an angle so it's unclear which baptism matches a residence.
Check out also residence Ballyshonan? for Ellen Connell 16th March. (I'm still trying to think of places which might look/sound like Ballynorman.
Which register does the extract come from?
RootsChat has a handwriting deciphering board for hard to read writing.

[Maiden Stone]

Alphabetical list of townlands in County Laois.
https://www.townlands.ie/laois/

RC parish and townland database
https://www.swilson.info/rcparishlink.php
Queens County; Kildare & Leighlin Diocese; Maryborough parish
Linked civil parishes:
Borris
Dysartenos
Kilcomanbane
Kilteale
Straboe
I don't see a townland in any of those civil parishes which resembles Bally...dane.

Griffiths' Valuation
I looked for Thomas Hennessy in the county. 2 results. (There's no knowing if the Thomas Hennessy whose child was baptised in 1845 was still around.) There was a Thomas Hennessy in Borris civil parish, Mountmellick Union. (Maryborough was in Mountmellick Union). A list of townlands and streets in the Union is at the front of the list of valuations. They are in alphabetical order within each civil parish. Can also flick through the records to see place names. Nothing which resembles Bally...dane. no streets in Maryborough town like it either.

A suggestion - Ballyfin Demesne if the placename was abbreviated?