DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL

[Lisa in California]

There are a number of records for John Hennesy on familysearch.  It appears that he was born in LaSalle, Illinois and died in Greeley, Iowa.  His parents were possibly Michael Hennesy and “Hanora”, possibly Manning.

Just thinking out loud…I wonder if the Welch folks (and Hennesy if there is actually a connection) sailed to Canada, came down to Illinois and settled in Iowa.

Update: from Ancestry
Michael Hennesey married Nancy Manning, 26 May 1839, La Salle, Illinois

Added
William Hennessey born 22 February 1849, La Salle, Illinois
Died: 30 December 1925, Chicago, Cook, Illinois (widowed)
Burial date and place: 2 January 1926, Dubuque, Iowa
Occupation: retired police officer
Parents and their birthplaces: Michael Hennessey, County Cork, Ireland and “Anorah” Manning, County Kerry, Ireland

[dwelch]

I now have a computer copy of Edwards death certificate.  I tried to send it, but it was "too big".
Edward's son, William was the informant.
He gave Edward's birth as being in New York.
He gave John & Bridget's birthplace as Ireland.

I received a comment on Facebook that is very hopeful.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/WalshesofIreland/posts/5011626075522805/?comment_id=5571920379493369&reply_comment_id=5612829885402418&notif_id=1659296665136635&notif_t=group_comment_mention

Scroll down a bit and you will see my Gedmatch matches and a reply from Frank Walsh

[Maiden Stone]

This is the best I can do at the moment.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/9524442/edward-welch

The entry for John Welch, Edward's father on Find a Grave says "Death 8th December 1871. Burial details unknown. Supposedly buried on the farmstead, north of Greeley."
Did John leave a will?
Was there a local newspaper in the Greeley area in 1871?

[Maiden Stone]

Is Edward's date of birth taken from his death certificate? if so, the information is possibly not reliable.

I did find an 1860  census, possibly of this family, where there is a 5 year old  Abby, Ebby or ? but female and this may be Edward? Shows that he was stated as being born in Ireland as are his mother and father.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M82J-RGK

I think it is conjecture worth following up on that Edward Welch/Walsh was possibly born in Ireland  and came to the US with his parents during the period 1855 and 1857 when his sister Mary Welch/Walsh was born in Iowa. 

Still pondering, perhaps the oldest child Edward is the son of Bridget but not of John?  o Bridget may have come to the US with Edward (and his father perhaps) and met John Walsh later.   

Deb has confirmed that the 5 year-old child on 1860 census was Edward.
His birthplace on 1860 census was "do" for ditto, underneath Ireland for parents' birthplace. It's a strong possibility that his birthplace on 1860 census was a clerical error.
Edward's birthplace was Iowa on 1870 census. I presume that information was supplied by one of his parents.
There is further uncertainty about Edward's birthplace as Deb has also posted information which show New York.
Information about Edward's birthplace in replies #12, 31, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43 and 45.

[dwelch]

 Unfortunately the comment on the Facebook page of Walsh surnames was a bust again.  I sent Frank Walsh's comment to a genealogist who helped me in the past.  She said the DNA match was not close enough.  It just means we are Irish.

From Frank Walsh:
"You match my sister, Mary Sandra Walsh - McKay at 7.8 cM, Autosomal DNA and my wife Johanna White Walsh 11X9 DNA.  This means we are related along the female line.  This match may have occured around 1830 to 1840 by way of a female ancestor"

[shanreagh]

Is Edward's date of birth taken from his death certificate? if so, the information is possibly not reliable.

I did find an 1860  census, possibly of this family, where there is a 5 year old  Abby, Ebby or ? but female and this may be Edward? Shows that he was stated as being born in Ireland as are his mother and father.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M82J-RGK

I think it is conjecture worth following up on that Edward Welch/Walsh was possibly born in Ireland  and came to the US with his parents during the period 1855 and 1857 when his sister Mary Welch/Walsh was born in Iowa. 

Still pondering, perhaps the oldest child Edward is the son of Bridget but not of John?  o Bridget may have come to the US with Edward (and his father perhaps) and met John Walsh later.   

Deb has confirmed that the 5 year-old child on 1860 census was Edward.
His birthplace on 1860 census was "do" for ditto, underneath Ireland for parents' birthplace. It's a strong possibility that his birthplace on 1860 census was a clerical error.
Edward's birthplace was Iowa on 1870 census. I presume that information was supplied by one of his parents.
There is further uncertainty about Edward's birthplace as Deb has also posted information which show New York.
Information about Edward's birthplace in replies #12, 31, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43 and 45.

Yes I am well aware of what you are saying as someone who has been involved in the thread from the start.  While clerical error did happen  it does not mean that we should accept that this is what happened until and unless it is superseded by a link to the actual birth certificate.

I am aware that Deb has posted info from NY but I understood that this is info from, and a link to   a death certificate rather than a birth certificate. 

If it is a birth certificate could the actual document be linked to please, and please not an Ancestry link as many of us do not subscribe.

Thanks MS.

[shanreagh]

Unfortunately the comment on the Facebook page of Walsh surnames was a bust again.  I sent Frank Walsh's comment to a genealogist who helped me in the past.  She said the DNA match was not close enough.  It just means we are Irish.

From Frank Walsh:
"You match my sister, Mary Sandra Walsh - McKay at 7.8 cM, Autosomal DNA and my wife Johanna White Walsh 11X9 DNA.  This means we are related along the female line.  This match may have occured around 1830 to 1840 by way of a female ancestor"

Just to follow it up though would be good - have you got a family tree from this link?  It may mean that there were Henessey/Walsh links earlier than the marriage of your ancestors.   I think the comment that 'we are Irish' is a little too dismissive in these circumstances. 

Any link to a Walsh name is worth following back, especially in your case when this Walsh family is the one you don't have very much info on

[shanreagh]

Is Edward's date of birth taken from his death certificate? if so, the information is possibly not reliable.

This is the point I have been making also. 

If the date of birth is taken from a birth certificate then could someone on this thread please link to it.  We would be so much the wiser and may have further info on where the parents were living at the time, their names etc. 

Until a birth cert/bapt record  is put up then I think we are justified in searching on the basis that the 1860 census was correct. 

That Edward may have been born in Ireland somewhere.  The query is what surnames? 

[shanreagh]

There is lots of good information on this thread

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rq7/

This was linked to earlier on in the thread

A poster called TimothyMc has found

1850 census record for John.

He also found a link to a gravestone/memorial erected by the brother of Bridget Hennessey (wife of John Walsh/Welch), so John's brother in law, and this states

"    Erected by Laurence Hennessy of Lisvanane in memory of his father Thomas Hennessy who died April 1851, aged 71 years. May he rest in peace.
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Donated the site of the Catholic Church in Lisvernane, County Tipperary with the agreement that the Hennessy family would be permitted the use of the churchyard for the burial of its members. Bridget Cleary Hennessy, his wife, was the first burial.

Thomas, born and died in Lisvernane, Parish of Clonbeg, Tipperary, son of Timothy and Kate (Fahy) Hennessy.
Married Briget Cleary.
Children:
Timothy (m. Alice Hennessy),

Laurence (m. Kate Sampson),
 
John,

Michael (m. Catherine Drake), died in Australia,

Arthur (m. Mary Jackson) imm. 1850 to US, died at Waterbury, CT, bet. 1860 & 1870,

Catherine (m. Robert Sampson),

Alice (m. unk Walsh) imm. to Australia,

Mary (m. Terrance Naughton),

Bridget (m. unk Dwyer),

Eliza (m. John Merrick, 1884, imm. to Australia, d. 1920 in Mossman, New South Wales)  "

TimothyMc also stated

'Also Bridget Hennessy married Jeremiah Dwyer on the 21-FEB-1845 Parish/District -- Galbally and Aherlow'

Glen of Aherlow
Lisvarrinane is another spelling of Lisvanane

Deb has also said 'My older siblings remember him (her father the grandson of John & Bridget) saying his people were from "Queen's". '  I have taken that to mean the former Queens County Ireland now Co Laois. 

There is also this
'On August 14, 1857, a marriage license was taken out for John & Bridget, but never returned or documents pertaining, found.'
Was this reference to an index?  Where please?  Can you link please?

Just looking at the thread I have linked to above and the responses there are many clues to delve into.

I make the point that the inscription by Laurence Hennessy is worth exploring further, the father donated the Church land and land the gravestone is on apparently.  It is family and more or less contemporaneous with death of the parents and the marriages and immigration of his siblings.

Perhaps it was Alice who married a Dwyer and went to Aus while Bridget married a Walsh and went to the US?   Just throwing it out there in case Laurence did get it wrong.