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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:03 BST (UK) »
I wonder if John’s marriage in 1862 was to make it legal with his possible altered name?  Could a possible name change have anything to do with Bridget obtaining the (land?) deed and John not obtaining it?

Could well have.....my grandfather who already owned  land changed his name with the addition of one extra letter and voila was able to apply, as a  landless person,  for a large sheep station being sold by NZ Govt next door to the land he owned under a different name.

Re the marriage that is a distinct possibility.  I wonder then about that 1860 Census and the Abby,Ebby,Eddy born in Ireland.

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:05 BST (UK) »
I am just trying to find Ebby now.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:08 BST (UK) »
It’s getting late here and I’m starting to blur my pages  ;D but I wonder if the enumerator in 1860 didn’t hear the names correctly and Ebby, female, was actually Eddy, male?
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:14 BST (UK) »
Edward’s middle initial was B according to the marriage index to Mary Pelroy in Akron, Iowa, 1898.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:16 BST (UK) »
That's what I wondered too. 

Its 7.15pm here and i have not had dinner ......this chase!

I wonder has Deb got the 1845 marriage for Bridget Hennessy to Dwyer?  He may have died and that meant that John & Bridget could marry. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:20 BST (UK) »
True, Mr. Dwyer could have died or immigrated and left Bridget behind.  Or, Dwyer was Welch.  So many possibilities.

I think I will call it a night.  Thank you for your help.  Maybe we can resume another time if others haven’t found things while we aren’t here.  Enjoy your dinner.  :)
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the added bits of info such as how names in New Zealand are pronounced.  I enjoy learning about things around the world.

It also can only help with my own research.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 28 July 22 08:28 BST (UK) »
Can’t tear myself away…

Deb, I see that Bridget is buried in St. Patrick’s Cemetery, Akron, Iowa.  Have you contacted the cemetery office for her details?  Or, perhaps you know her actual place of birth - I don’t remember if that was previously stated.
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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 28 July 22 09:12 BST (UK) »
Last bit for tonight…

Deb, are you 100% sure that the information you have about Bridget (her parents, birthplace, etc.) is correct?  Have you found U.S. records verifying her family? Apologies if you did mention facts in this thread or in your previous off-site threads.

I only ask because long ago we assumed we had found my mum’s ancestor’s family only to discover decades later that while we may have found his relatives, we did not find his actual parents. It was quite a blow to find out there were at least two John Ovens, born c1809 in County Fermanagh.  We thought Ovens was an unusual name.  We were wrong.
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