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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 July 22 06:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you for finding that, shanreagh.   :)  Elmo could have been a nickname or his actual name.  I wasn’t correcting you, I was just relaying what Deb has on her tree and answering your question since she is not on right now.  Sorry for the misunderstanding I created.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 July 22 06:49 BST (UK) »
…So can someone put up the birth order of all the children please.  I do not have access to Ancestry. 

From the 1870 census
Edward, 14
Mary, 12
Margaret A, 10
John Laurence, 8
Wm Martin, 5
Ellen Bridget, 3

ADDED: middle names from Deb’s tree.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:12 BST (UK) »
Deb, I found a couple of your old posts on the internet, mentioning no DNA matches.  Is there any chance that John was adopted?
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:23 BST (UK) »
This may be the family in 1860?
However this family has a female child born in Ireland? Ebby or Abby? or Eddy?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M82J-RGK

Then the full census for 1870 without the additional first names
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDJB-X3D

1880 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MD24-GF5




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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:27 BST (UK) »
Deb, I found a couple of your old posts on the internet, mentioning no DNA matches.  Is there any chance that John was adopted?

Is this John the father or John Laurence the son? If not adoption for John Laurence Welch could it be a NPE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event

Though if a NPE you would think that Bridget's DNA would be traceable. 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:34 BST (UK) »
I was wondering if John, born c1823, could have been adopted at an early age.  Would that make sense why she doesn’t have DNA matches with any of John’s (born c1823) “siblings”?  :-\  My beginner DNA knowledge is showing.  ;D
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:43 BST (UK) »
I was wondering if John, born c1823, could have been adopted at an early age.  Would that make sense why she doesn’t have DNA matches with any of John’s (born c1823) “siblings”?  :-\  My beginner DNA knowledge is showing.  ;D

Well he could of course have changed his name altogether, new country new name!

https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/27978/my-great-grandfather-john-welch-dropped-out-of-the-clear-blue-sky-around-1850-into-delaware-co

On here above the daughter Bridget Cleary Hennessey is supposed to have married a Dwyer.  Has the possibility that XXXX Dwyer became John Welch been explored?  A favoured 'new' name is often the maiden name of the mother, perhaps the Welch came from his mother if he was a Dwyer.  Has the Dwyer marriage been looked for? 

From the conversation it states that a gravestone was erected and it said that one of Bridget's siblings 'Alice (m. unk Walsh) imm. to Australia' while Bridget (m. unk Dwyer). What say it was the other way around?  That Alice married the Dwyer and Bridget the Walsh? 

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:49 BST (UK) »
…https://community.familysearch.org/en/discussion/27978/my-great-grandfather-john-welch-dropped-out-of-the-clear-blue-sky-around-1850-into-delaware-co

On here above the daughter Bridget Cleary Hennessey is supposed to have married a Dwyer.  Has the possibility that XXXX Dwyer became John Welch been explored?  A favoured 'new' name is often the maiden name of the mother, perhaps the Welch came from his mother if he was a Dwyer.  Has the Dwyer marriage been looked for? 

So true about new country, new name.

Wow!!  Great suggestion!  I don’t know how much research Deb has done.  I did not explore that possibility.

ADDED: I just found the links a few minutes ago so haven’t researched anything.  Even if I found the information hours ago, I don’t think I would have thought of a possible connection between Welch and Dwyer.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: DNA & STILL A BRICK WALL
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 28 July 22 07:55 BST (UK) »
I wonder if John’s marriage in 1862 was to make it legal with his possible altered name?  Could a possible name change have anything to do with Bridget obtaining the (land?) deed and John not obtaining it?
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada             Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland              (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)