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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #81 on: Monday 08 August 22 12:01 BST (UK) »

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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #82 on: Monday 08 August 22 12:20 BST (UK) »
He was born 21st Dec 1879 the birth was not registered till after Christmas  Jan 1888
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02879/2055244.pdf

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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #83 on: Monday 08 August 22 12:27 BST (UK) »
He was born 21st Dec 1879 the birth was not registered till after Christmas  Jan 1888
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02879/2055244.pdf

He was born 12 Dec 1879 on 21 Dec 1879.  Off course!  ETA

He was registered 14 January 1880 not 1888

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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #84 on: Monday 08 August 22 12:29 BST (UK) »
When he married, a witness was John Mulcahy.

This is the only one I see in Oola district.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Oola/Moanoola/644187/

It might be that your John, as a labourer just happened to be working in the area and was not necessarily from there.

I agree Heywood I think I made that point some time back......it is the current place of residence not where you are from ie where you are born or where your parents may still live. 


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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #85 on: Monday 08 August 22 12:44 BST (UK) »
The John birth certificate Justme mentioned earlier :)

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02879/2055244.pdf

Of course, I posted various records  ::)

Shanreagh, I am just thinking aloud  ;)
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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #86 on: Monday 08 August 22 13:41 BST (UK) »
Is it possible as Johanna was then Johanna Connor/ OConnor and never declared she was a widow it was assumed her father was O'Connor/Connor so as not to get caught for lying? It's very possible

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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #87 on: Monday 08 August 22 15:55 BST (UK) »
I can see the possibility of the O Sullivan family in some ways.

In 1901 there are 5 children including John O’ Sullivan aged 20yrs.
In 1911 it states 4 children born alive - one of whom is now deceased.
I found four births earlier in reply #49 - Michael, Bridget and Mary - mother Walsh and Patrick with mother Connor.

Death of Patrick in 1907

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1907/05535/4551803.pdf

As the births are meant to be recorded to the mother on the census and the present marriage  one can only assume they are to Johanna.

That would leave son John   :-\

In 1911, there is a relative John O’Connor, 29 yrs. he is a shopman  (drapery) so not exactly a labourer.

The difficulties:
Marriage missing - Denis O’ Sullivan and Johanna ?
the distance to Oola
Parents named and placed in Annagh, Barringtonsbridge in 1919 on John’s marriage.

There is not enough evidence yet to link these.
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Re: To many John O'Connors
« Reply #88 on: Tuesday 09 August 22 01:48 BST (UK) »
I must admit after all the work by various people the only thing I am certain of is that we are looking for the ancestors of the

John O'Connor who married Margaret at Oola in 1919 so of Patrick O'Connor.

We have since been advised by the church that married them that his mother's name was Johanna Walsh.  His father's name is Patrick, from the register.

Oola is likely to be the church of his wife Margaret as it is close to Pallas Hill Pallas Green. 

I have searched on Irish Genealogy for John's  death registration.  This may have been in Dublin in 1969.

I think to get back to basics we should see a link to the death certificate of John O'Connor/Connor who married in 1919... please.  This says he was 74 and therefore born in the 1890s sometime rather than the late 1870s. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1969/04169/4061910.pdf

The registration says at the time of death he was from Ballybrian Monard Co Tipperary. 
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/clanwilliam/solloghod-more/ballykisteen/monard/

He died from cancer of the stomach and pulmonary TB so may have gone to Peamount Hospital for treatment or palliative care.  Peamount Hospital was set up for specialist TB care.  It is located
'Our address: Peamount Road, Newcastle, County Dublin, Ireland'

I think that medical people would pick up on the difference in between a 74 year old and a 90 year old. 

Were there death notices in the paper for the death? 
When did Margaret die? 
Could we link to that please? 
Again were there notices in the papers ......rememebering this was late-ish last century so newspaper notices were very common. 

Where is John buried? Is it on Findagrave or similar please?
Where is Margaret buried? Again is it on Findagrave.