Where is my great grandfather???

[sparrett]

Although they were married in Perth, Dorothy Grace MURRAY had been registered to vote in Busselton  where she was employed as a barmaid.

I wonder had Joseph travelled there and so had met her.

MURRAY, Dorothy Grace, Esplanade Hotel Busselton, WA.

A sad death for her father
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/237026255

A flippant and rather sarcastic report of a previous attempt.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/257877222

He had been widowed very early
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/257747953

Sue

[Neale1961]

I have had a look at the Claridge family. Hoping the following is easy enough to follow.
You do have some publicans in past generations of your Claridge family, so maybe over time this became embellished into a London hotel owner. 


1861 census Daventry Northamptonshire. 90 Sheaf street
James CLARIDGE, head, 56, master cooper , born Daventry
Mary Ann CLARIDGE, wife, 60
Mary Ann CLARIDGE daughter, 20, single
James CLARIDGE son, 18, single

1861 census Living next door to the Claridge family , at 89 Sheaf St Daventry was
Mary PARSONAGE, lodger, single, 19, sewing machine operator, born London


James CLARIDGE born 1843 Daventry & Mary PARSONAGE – They married 3 Dec 1864 at Daventry
(On marriage record - James’s occupation is a clicker; his Father was James CLARIDGE snr, occupation Cooper)

Children:
•   Charles Piddington CLARIDGE 1866 Daventry; died 1867
•   Harry James CLARIDGE 1868 Daventry (by 1891 married and a publican in Brearley St. St George Birmingham)
•   Gap? Why?
•   Florence Eaves CLARIDGE 1876 Birmingham
•   Minnie Eaves CLARIDGE 1878 Birmingham
•   Edith Eaves CLARIDGE 1880 Birmingham
•   May Eaves CLARIDGE 1882 Birmingham
Question – where does the Eaves name come from. James’ brother William married a Catherine Eaves. I am a little suspicious.

In 1871 /1881 census James is a publican in St George Birmingham.         
By 1891 his wife Mary is a widow and working as a victualler with daughters Florence and May. She died 1912.
I don’t know when James died. The 1907 death is not him.

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One generation earlier……….

James CLARIDGE snr married Daventry 14 June 1827 to Ann BLAND (died 1 July 1830, age 26)
                 2nd married 8 Sep 1831 Northampton All Saints to Mary Ann THOMPSON

Children baptised Daventry Holy Cross (Father’s occupation is Cooper)
•   John bapt 31 Jan 1828
•   Charles bapt 30 Jul 1829
•   Ann bapt 5 Nov 1832
•   Elizabeth bapt 1 July 1834
•   William bapt 14 June 1836 (married Catherine EAVES 4 Feb 1860 Coleshill Warwickshire)
•   Martha bapt 3 May 1838
•   Mary Ann bapt 8 Mar 1841
•   James CLARIDGE 26 Mar 1843 (married Mary PARSONAGE)

1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGY9-Y9H

James CLARIDGE snr burial 3 May 1864 Daventry (59 yrs)
Mary Ann (Thompson) CLARIDGE burial 15 Nov 1867 Daventry (66 yrs)

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Another generation earlier ………

John CLARRIDGE (bachelor) marriage 27 Apr 1797 Daventry to Lydia WAWMAN (widow from Weedon Bec)

Children: (Father’s occupation is Fish Monger, and later Victualler/ Innholder)
•   Elizabeth bapt 4 July 1797 Weedon Bec St Peter & Paul
•   John bapt 12 Apr 1799 Daventry Holy Cross
•   Martha bapt 16 Apr 1800 Daventry
•   John bapt 12 Aug 1802 Daventry
•   James CLARIDGE baptism 8 Feb 1805, born 27 Jan Daventry (married Mary Ann Thompson)
•   Martha bapt 14 Mar 1808 Daventry
•   Lydia bapt 22 Mar 1810 Daventry
•   Charles bapt 3 Jan 1812 Daventry
•   Mary Ann bapt 18 Oct 1813

John CLARIDGE burial 7 Jun 1844 Daventry (age 75)
Lydia CLARIDGE burial 15 Aug 1844 Daventry (age 73)
 (Lydia was possibly bapt Lyddy THOMPSON 17 Nov 1771 Weedon Bec – parents Thomas and Eliz.)

1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7QQ-GDJ

[Andrea Pea]

Neale1961.
Thank you. I have the Parsonage side tree, but that only mentions May and Florence, no other kids. And after Mary Claridge (née Parsonages) brother Thomas(a beer house publican d:1890) & sister in law Julia(d:1889) die…she takes on her niece, Florence Parsonage & runs the business.
I’ve been suspect of the ‘eaves’ name as there’s no mention of them on the tree info I got back in 2012.
My cousin had the eaves on her tree but it doesn’t fit.
But you’ve given me info on the claridges. Ta.

[Andrea Pea]

Sparret
Sue. Thank you for that.
I haven’t started looking at Joseph’s second marriage yet. My farmer dad, John Parkes, lives in north Western Australia…and there are 2 other John Parkes up there near him.
We’ve wondered if Joseph had kids with Dorothy in their 5 years of marriage…as she was only 28 when she married Joseph.

[Andrea Pea]

Jaywit.
That’s why I’m doing what I’m doing. My entire focus has been on the elusive Joseph.

But on my mum’s Clifton side…those rumours turned out true. By My 4x great grandmother, Elinor Bell, who married a Clifton, we are ancestors of king edward 1st. Kate Middleton is also an ancestor of king Edward 1st. That huge tree was done when snail mail was big. Now it’s all online to just look up.
And masses have heard about the USA presidents all being connected in some way and to royalty…thru that same Bell line…we are many lines tied to many USA presidents. It’s jaw dropping amazing what can be found.  🙂

[Neale1961]

We’ve wondered if Joseph had kids with Dorothy in their 5 years of marriage…as she was only 28 when she married Joseph.

I can't see any births registered in WA to Joseph and Dorothy.

[Neale1961]

Andrea, Do you have May Claridge's birth certificate? What names does it give for parents? I wonder if Florence, Minnie, Edith and May all have one parent from the Eaves family.
I notice that Edith Eaves Claridge born 1880, was baptised in 29 Dec 1882, and her father is named as Richard (not James as you would expect). I wonder if this was Richard Eaves?    Of course it might be an error on the baptism register, but I am curious.

[sparrett]

Sparret
Sue. Thank you for that.
I haven’t started looking at Joseph’s second marriage yet. My farmer dad, John Parkes, lives in north Western Australia…and there are 2 other John Parkes up there near him.
We’ve wondered if Joseph had kids with Dorothy in their 5 years of marriage…as she was only 28 when she married Joseph.

Surely your father would have known if he had half-siblings.
Was there no contact even at his father's funeral or in the settling of his estate?
Sue

[jonwarrn]

In 1871 /1881 census James is a publican in St George Birmingham.         
By 1891 his wife Mary is a widow and working as a victualler with daughters Florence and May.

I'm struggling with him in 1881.

1880 Kelly's Directory of Birmingham
Claridge Mary (Mrs.), King's Head, 125 Brearley street

1881 Census, 125 Brearley Street, Birmingham
Harry Claridge Head Mar 38 Licenced Victualler, born London
Harry Claridge S(on) 12 Scholar Daventry Northampton
Florence Claridge D 4 Scholar B'ham
Minnie Claridge D 3 B'ham
Edith Claridge D 11 months B'ham
Richard Evans Visitor Un 34 Grocer B'ham
Mary Ann Hodgetts Servant 17 Servant B'ham

Is Richard Evans actually Richard Eaves?
Is Harry Claridge the victualler really Mary?

Birmingham Mail, 21 June 1882 (ocr text)
WHOLESALE ILLEGAL SUNDAY TRADING. Mary Claridge, the landlady of the King’s Head, Lower Brearley Street, was summoned for keeping her licensed premises open for the sale of intoxicating liquor on Sunday, the 11th inst., between 7.30 a.m. and 9.30 a.m.— Police constable William Cook stated that the morning of Sunday, the 11th inst., he and another officer secreted themselves.....(continues)

In the Birmingham Mail, 24 Aug 1882
Mary Claridge, King’s Head, Lower Brearley Street, was fined with costs, improper hours.