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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 12 July 22 22:20 BST (UK) »
So, leaving Sydney, they are recorded as Parker in this report
The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 12 July 1913
R.M.S. MOLDAVIA, FOR LONDON.
The following is a list of the passengers sailing by the P. and O. Company's R.M.S. Moldavia from
the company's wharf, Circular Quay, at noon to-day for London via ports: —
...Mr. and Mrs. Parker and infant...

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15435079

And The Sun the day before
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/229690309

Exciting!

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 01:22 BST (UK) »
I assume you have Josephs parents’ names from his death certificate. I suspect the information was supplied by someone who did not quite know the correct details – his 2nd wife or his son? Who was the informant?
If we can find a marriage it should confirm parents. But it might be that Joseph and May never actually married.
Do you have his 1926 marriage certificate from his second marriage to Dorothy Murray? That should give you vital information.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 01:46 BST (UK) »
PARKES MAY 1925 NORTHAM 189 1925

What parents’ names are given on the death certificates?

PARKES Joseph 1931 PERTH 751 1931

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article32521657

Funeral notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article58648311

First Name JOSEPH
Last Name   PARKES
KARRAKATTA CEMETERY Burial
Aged Years 53   
Date of Death   23/5/1931
Suburb SUBIACO
Grave Location KARRAKATTA CEMETERY
ANGLICAN
Area or Denomination NA
Section 0108

Death at 53 in 1931 given him a birth year of 1878.

23899/1911 PARKES John F parents JOSEPH and MAY at SYDNEY - born 1 August 1911


FREMANTLE CEMETERY: SAINSBURY ROSE (COMP) GARDEN 19 0011
Memorial Type ROSE MEMORIAL
JOHN FREDERIK
Last Name   PARKES
Aged Years 90   
Date of Death 25/5/2002
Suburb PALMYRA

VALMAI GLADYS PARKES
Aged Years 90   
Date of Death 26/10/2007
Suburb GREENFIELDS

John’s military record:

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=6499872

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 03:42 BST (UK) »

May Eaves Claridge born Dec quarter 1882 Birmingham
mother - Parsonage
birth certificate can be obtained from the GRO
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 03:56 BST (UK) »

May Eaves Claridge born Dec quarter 1882 Birmingham
mother - Parsonage
birth certificate can be obtained from the GRO

CLARIDGE, CHARLES  PIDDINGTON mmn PARSONAGE death Jun 1867 
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in DAVENTRY UNION  Volume 03B  Page 108

CLARIDGE, HARRY  JAMES mmn PARSONAGE death Jun 1905
GRO Reference: 1868  J Quarter in DAVENTRY UNION  Volume 03B  Page 113
Marriage:
Jun 1885 Birmingham   6d 71
CLARIDGE Harry James
BATES Alice
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGDL-X3GH
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W77Y-QY2M
1891:  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W2RV-PW2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZJ-WFJ
2nd marriage:
Jun 1906 Birmingham    6d 338
NIELD Allan
CLARIDGE Alice
Death: Dec 1910 Aston 6d 251
NIELD Allan 36
Possible death:
Jun 1912 Birmingham 6d 17
NIELD Alice 47
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCB-TDL

CLARIDGE, FLORENCE  EAVES mmn PARSONAGE 
GRO Reference: 1876  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 192
Marriage:
Jun 1896 Aston 6d 543
RICHARDS James
CLARIDGE Florence Eaves
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZZ-337

CLARIDGE, MINNIE  CAVES mmn PARSONAGE death Dec 1884
GRO Reference: 1878  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 164

CLARIDGE, EDITH  EAVES mmn PARSONAGE death Mar 1883
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 181

CLARIDGE, MAY  EAVES mmn PARSONAGE 
GRO Reference: 1882  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 129

Marriage: Dec 1864 Daventry 3b   237
CLARIDGE James   
PARSONAGE Mary    

I don’t know how the hubby became know as Harry:

CLARIDGE, JAMES mmn THOMPSON 
GRO Reference: 1843  M Quarter in DAVENTRY UNION  Volume 15  Page 247
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGY9-Y98
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7PC-ZG5

PARSONAGE, MARY mmn TURNER 
GRO Reference: 1841  D Quarter in ST OLAVE'S UNION, SOUTHWARK  Volume 04  Page 419
Parent’s marriage:
Sep 1841  St Olaves 4 458
PARSONAGE John
TURNER Jane
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6C-J2V

May’s family, 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YZ-7TG

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-CW2N

May, 1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W2LX-H3Z

May, 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZD-CLB

Possibility, mother 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ9-8Y5

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 04:16 BST (UK) »
A bit of background for Joseph.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/81001167

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynoch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Small_Arms_Company

Debra  :)

The Trove article states that he worked at BSA during the Boer War, which was 11 Oct 1899 – 31 May 1902.

On the 1901 census we have a few possibilities, but they are all married:

Born 1876, Birmingham, a GENERAL LABOURER: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZ8-5YV
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZD-RYY

Born 1878, Birmingham, a CORPORATION CARTER (NIGHT):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZ8-KVX
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZ4-PRN

As PARKS, born 1876 Birmingham, a BRASS FOUNDER:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZY-K1K
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC1-97K

What occupation did Joseph record on his son’s birth certificate?

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Atkinson; Badier; Cameron; Grant; Howie; Jardine; Jenkins; Kerr; Lawardorn; Lee; Linton; Lonie; McConnell; Morgan; Morrison; Murphy; O'Leary; Paton; Pratt; Robb; Williams

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 05:32 BST (UK) »
So, leaving Sydney, they are recorded as Parker in this report
The Sydney Morning Herald, Sat 12 July 1913
R.M.S. MOLDAVIA, FOR LONDON.
The following is a list of the passengers sailing by the P. and O. Company's R.M.S. Moldavia from
the company's wharf, Circular Quay, at noon to-day for London via ports: —
...Mr. and Mrs. Parker and infant...
I think the newspaper got it wrong. Looks like PARKES to me.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 08:46 BST (UK) »
Yes indeed and looks like 'Master' and not infant. 
ETA Master is a male child.  I don't usually think of them as an infant which to me is a baby/toddler/just starting school. 

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Re: Where is my great grandfather???
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 13 July 22 09:13 BST (UK) »
Yes indeed and looks like 'Master' and not infant. 
ETA Master is a male child.  I don't usually think of them as an infant which to me is a baby/toddler/just starting school. 

Above it says Mrs. Johnson + Master D. Johnson
In the newspapers it is Mrs. Johnson and child.

Also on there on the passenger list, next page, Mr. and Mrs. and Master White.
Daily News says Mr. and Mrs. White and infant

Down same page are Mrs. R. B. Irlan, Miss Irlan, Miss A. Irlan
Daily News says Mrs. R. B. Irlan, child and infant

So they are Master or Miss on the passenger list.
Child or infant in the newspapers.

What is going on here?
I only reported what I saw, trying to help.
Now everything I post has to be picked apart?