Williams - Wardell marriage

[stevetewk65]

Hope someone can help, I can't see for looking!

I have a Thomas William Williams born 4th quarter 1875 (24th September I believe) in Birmingham and his mother's maiden name shows on FindMyPast as "Wardell". But I can't find a marriage between Miss Wardell and Mr Williams. 

Steve
 

[Jamjar]

WILLIAMS, THOMAS  WILLIAM mmn WARDELL 
GRO Reference: 1875  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 172

WILLIAMS, MARK  HENRY mmn WARDELL 
GRO Reference: 1877  S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 142

WILLIAMS, ALICE  MAUD mmn WARDELL 
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 6

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Maybe they didn’t marry until later: Q Jun 1882 William to Mary Jane

1891 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W299-GPZ

Mark H in 1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96G-NFW

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[ColC]

Maybe they didn’t marry until later: Q Jun 1882 William to Mary Jane

Jamjar

There is a marriage record for that on ancestry, William was 46 widower of 15 Pope Stand Mary Jane 26 of Summer Hill. Given the separate abodes it seems unlikely.

Colin

[emeltom]

Do you have Thomas William in any of the Censuses? There is a Thomas W born 1875 in Birmingham in 1881 with parents John and Emma. This Thomas (and his siblings) is on the GRO Index with mmn George.

Thomas William Williams Dec 1874 Birmingham 6d 23 mmn George

John Williams married Emma George 23 October 1870 in Kingswinford Staffs

[stevetewk65]

Thanks all.

They could well have married later, but how to prove it?

I believe William Thomas married Gertrude Williams in 1895. They are on the 1901 census as a family but helpfully he is listed as Thomas William.
 
Emeltom, I previously had the Williams - George marriage down as my path but I now know their son was definitely born September 1875 so this one (birth Q Dec 1874) isn't a match.

[ColC]

1901 census Enfield

Mark H Williams
Birth Place:   Birmingham, Warwickshire,
Age:   23
Estimated Birth Year:   about 1878
Spouse:   Matilda E Williams

Deaths Dec 1908 
WILLIAMS    Mark Henry    31    Edmonton    3a   258

Colin

[Mabel Bagshawe]

On the marriage register Mark's father is also Thomas William Williams, a packer

Added: which matches William Williams' occupation in the suggested 1891 census

[Jamjar]

1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-H64Q

I think this is the father in 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8T-RTH

If so, though, where are his children in 1881?

WILLIAMS, ELIZABETH  EMILY mmn HOLLOWAY 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D Page 191

WILLIAMS, SARAH  ANN mmn HOLLOW
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 168

WILLIAMS, WILLIAM mmn HOLLOWAY 
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 159

WILLIAMS, FREDERICK  HENRY mmn HOLLOWAY 
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 191

WILLIAMS, CHARLES  ALBERT mmn HOLLOWAY death Dec 1871
GRO Reference: 1871  M Quarter in BIRMINGHAM  Volume 06D  Page 172

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