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Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« on: Friday 01 July 22 17:51 BST (UK) »
Hi

In need of help, I have in the past seen a circa WW1 map of Heaton Park showing a gun range (rifle) from the golf course to near the golly pond at the back of the park.
I have checked all my images and checked a couple of website but cannot find it. 
The location is in the area of the pheasantry in this map.

Any help much appreciated as it is doing my head in

Ken 
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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 July 22 21:49 BST (UK) »
A slightly later map, 1920’s has that area The Pheasantry, already built on, in the angle of Sheepfoot Lane and Middleton Road.
Glazebrook Ave and Perrivale Road. etc.

I have heard there was an Army training camp there ,in WW1 .
Hope someone has some info for you.
Viktoria.

PS,the sand pit would be a good place for a gun range.

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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 July 22 22:27 BST (UK) »
This is a 1914 map off Pinterest

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rnx/
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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 02 July 22 22:04 BST (UK) »
The map shown in the first post is nowhere near the Sheepfoot Lane/Middleton Rd  junction it shows the pond in the NE corner of the park near the Northern end of the present day Golf Course.
https://goo.gl/maps/7G2Phvp7LGaQ4wtg8

I haven't found anything in the NLofS map collection showing a shooting range, but there was a hutment settlement at the Sheepfoot Lane/Middleton Rd junction shown on both the 1932 https://maps.nls.uk/view/101103353 and the 1938 {'46 published) https://maps.nls.uk/view/101103350
Here is an aerial view fo the White Heather Camp.
https://britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw017467

Of course post WWII they also built a TA centre in that vicinity.
Malmesbury- Bishop.
Gloucestershire-Bishop,Hicks,Higgs,Hill,Hooper,Hopkins,Pitcher,Robertson,Stinton,Terret,Woodruff.
Worcestershire-Stinton. 
Devon- Borrough or Burrow.


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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 02 July 22 22:37 BST (UK) »
On the map I looked at ,The Boating Lake is very similar to the fishpond near the kennels on your map, whilst on my map that is more shaped like Australia,scale is different too.
Sorry for the mix up but I was trying to help, however how long do you think I ought to stand in the corner?
Viktoria.

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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 July 22 07:43 BST (UK) »
I have found another possible source of info.

The Friends of Heaton Park Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/groups/246893545340201/search/?q=rifle%20range
One of their correspondents, Michael Walsh, has posted the following.
"I have always been aware that the Ornamental pond valley was used in both World Wars as a rifle and pistol range. One of the wonderful Chaps I worked with in the Park, Taffy Roberts showed me roughly where the Butts were ( where the targets are Placed) but back in the 70s the area was badly overgrown to examine them.
Well, last Sunday I found an earth banked wall surrounding what may have originally been another small ornamental pond directly next to the path that leads from the Temple to the Ornamental Pond."

I haven't found a map or plan which IDs the "Ornamental Pond."
Malmesbury- Bishop.
Gloucestershire-Bishop,Hicks,Higgs,Hill,Hooper,Hopkins,Pitcher,Robertson,Stinton,Terret,Woodruff.
Worcestershire-Stinton. 
Devon- Borrough or Burrow.

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Re: Old map expert required Heaton Park Manchester
« Reply #6 on: Monday 18 July 22 23:01 BST (UK) »
The range was a short pistol one. Probably between 10 and 20 yards long and is situated in the valley between what we called the Golly pond and the Blackfish pond by the golf course. The butts are short, only about 5 targets long and are on the side of the valley nearest the golly pond. We used to dig bullets out to use in our catapults in the 1950's and early 60's. Just further along the path is a highly contaminated small patch of ground where all the .22 lead bullets were dumped and there was a mound of really corroded ones there when I was a kid.
That area was well cleaned out by the RAF before it was returned to Manchester corporation but metal detectorists still find fragmented bits of old mills 36 grenades in that section of the wood.
Not much left there now
Monk- pre 1783 Anglezarke / Rivington
Jolly-Chorley, Wigan, Heapey, Heath Charnock, Rivington, Anglezarke, Prestwich
Ebrey- Oswestry, Wrexham, Pendleton, Childs Ercall
Murray- Shropshire/Cheshire
Harrison- Stoke/Burslem