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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #36 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 10:55 BST (UK) »
1948 was before her husband's death in 1952 but maybe she left him and that is why his sister was the informant and not her.
What was the status of her husband on his death, married or widowed or...?

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« Reply #37 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 11:07 BST (UK) »
Rodeo posted earlier the details of the death record - Charles Hay Reid Printer (Master) married to Jean Whiteford Ross .......which suggests she was still alive but doesn't prove it. His sister, Barbara was the informant and not his wife which is strange but not that unusual.
I've not actually seen the record though, just what was posted which I take was taken from the actual record.
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #38 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 14:14 BST (UK) »
This marriage in Romford Essex. Jean W Reid to William D Beckett, S quarter, 1953.

Her sister lived in Essex at time of her death in 1978.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:QVDN-3HWG

Checked it. Not her.

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« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 14:44 BST (UK) »
Oh my goodness! That is amazing! I am wondering how you think  is not her because I think it may be.  Jeanie's sister Grace lived in Romford, Essex for a while. My cousin's siblings were born there. The last in 1942. they later moved to the Ilford and Dagenham areas before London.
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« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 15:01 BST (UK) »
There is a possibility children born Romford Essex ( Beckett) mothers maiden name Reid
Your Jeanie would be a bit old then to have children
I think William D Beckett was born about 1931

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« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 29 June 22 19:40 BST (UK) »
Oh, I see what you mean. Yes, I found 3 with the last one born in 1960. What a shame! That was really hopeful.

I have passed on to my cousin the suggestion that he try to go to a Scotland's People Centre. However, he lives in Cambridge so I think it will be a while before he will be able to do that.
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« Reply #42 on: Thursday 30 June 22 07:43 BST (UK) »
One tree on Ancestry seems to have a few children for this couple think it might belong to a relation of yours ?

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« Reply #43 on: Thursday 30 June 22 09:01 BST (UK) »
That will be my tree and my cousin has just copied what I have. What you see is hypothetical only and I was hoping that some Ancestry hints would pop up. They haven't. What I did was search for births in Hamilton with surname Reid between 1935 and 1952. Jeanie was married in 1935 and her husband died in 1952. His death record does not prove whether she was still alive but we know she was still alive on the 13th March 1946 when she was the informant of her father's death. So that is a period of 11-17 years that the couple could have had children.
There are 125 births with several for each year. I picked out likely names and put 5 in my tree:
William 1935
Catherine Paterson 1937
William 1938
James Paterson 1942
Josephine 1951

We think it is strange that there were absolutely no Charles or any with the middle name Hay or Whiteford but there are 2 with the middle name Paterson which is her mother's middle name - Agnes Paterson Harris.

We are focussing on William as it is the Scottish naming pattern to name the first son after the father's father so this would fit perfectly. There were 2 born in 1935 and also a Henry Paterson Reid born in 1935 but we can see no Henry in the family so have ruled him out. William would be the most likely name. As always there are  doubts as Jeanie and Charles married on the 18th June 1935. So if it was any of those, they would have been born within 6 months of their marriage which is not at all unusual.

I have found a death for one of the Williams born 1935 and died in 2017. His mother's name was Russell but we have no idea which of the reference numbers he is - 647/774 and 647/852. I am sure I read somewhere that you can tell the quarter from the reference number but these numbers are very close together.

Catherine Paterson - there are 4 deaths but none with the mother's name Ross or in Hamilton or with dates that fit

William 1938 - 628 or these but none with the mother's name Ross. Not all have mother's names. There are 4 in Hamilton but the dates don't fit.

James Paterson - 7 of these but none with mother's name Ross. The only one that doesn't have a name, has dates that don't fit.

Josephine - the name Josephine is in the family but Jeanie's sister's sister in law. A long shot. None of the dates fit.

Our problem arises due the the fact that they are recent Statutory deaths so cannot be viewed using credits on Scotland's People. We would have to purchase the birth certificates which would be an expensive gamble.

My cousin is going to try and go to a Scotland's People Centre but I believe they are all in Scotland. I will send him a list of locations.
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Re: Brick Wall
« Reply #44 on: Thursday 30 June 22 09:30 BST (UK) »
We have to be careful not to name anyone who may still be alive. There is a birth in Hamilton, 1942, which looks interesting. His sister's name was Barbara, was it not?