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Re: ORWIN
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 03 August 22 19:38 BST (UK) »
In reply #5, TerriG mentions an article that stated William was widowed 20 years after his marriage.  There is an Isabella Parker that died in 1841 that might be worth looking at, or leaving "on the back burner" to check out when you get desperate!
 
Her death does not appear (that I could find) on FreeBMD, Anc, or FindMyPast civil death records, but it does at the GRO.  And if it is her, she was separated from William, whether for health or other reasons, as her abode is given as Frederick Street, Bishop Wearmouth.  She died 01 July 1841, so mere weeks after the census, and yet there is no Isabella Parker on that street.  There are Isabella Parkers in the area, which appear to be married, but the '41 doesn't give relationships, and a Hill Parker with (assuming) his wife on Frederick St.  Most of the Isabella's I tracked on to 1851, but not all, but they would have had to move to Frederick St., then died, in the time frame between 06 Jun (census day) to 01 Jul, date of death. 
One street over, on John Street there are is an older William Potts, but that could mean nothing.
I am wondering if she was ill and staying with/near some relatives, then passed away.

Anyways, the newspaper mention states Mrs., so we know she was a married woman:

Newcastle Courant 09 July 1841
Deaths (Bishop Wearmouth)
In Frederick St., on the 1st inst., aged 44, Mrs Isabella Parker.

The GRO has a match for a 44 yr old:
PARKER, ISABELLA        44 
GRO Reference: 1841  S Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION  Volume 24  Page 171

The Durham Online Parish has the burial record; I don't know if it is just a full index or the actual image, and they charge £1.50 
https://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
FindmyPast also has the burial index.  Both of them show Frederick St, and age 44, so it is the one from the newspaper.

The biggest problem is that the burial and death record may not hold any information that helps connect her to your Isabella, even if she is your Isabella. If she died in hospital, the informant is probably a staff member.

The age and timing of this death fits well, but location... not so much, although that could explain why they aren't buried together.

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Re: ORWIN
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 04 August 22 09:48 BST (UK) »
Wow bbart, many thanks for all that detective work, I'm very appreciative indeed.
I'll certainly be looking into this a bit more.
I had a look at the Durham site, didn't give a lot more info than you mentioned (buried 5 july 1851), I'm going to get the GRO record, thanks for the reference there.
I found a couple more Isabella Parkers on the Durham site but only one was feasible by age and she appears to be married to someone else on the 1841 census (lives at a different address as well)  so the death cert might be for mine
I'll keep you posted, again many thanks for the help
Phil

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday 18 August 22 02:04 BST (UK) »
Ah well, that didn't work. The Isabella Parker at Bishop Wearmouth was a James Parker, a ship owner. More digging ahead  :>)

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 18 August 22 02:10 BST (UK) »
Ah well, that didn't work. The Isabella Parker at Bishop Wearmouth was a James Parker, a ship owner. More digging ahead  :>)

Well, darn it!  I was so hoping it would solve the mystery.

Back to the drawing board we go!


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 18 August 22 02:29 BST (UK) »
Ah well, that didn't work. The Isabella Parker at Bishop Wearmouth was a James Parker, a ship owner. More digging ahead  :>)

Well, darn it!  I was so hoping it would solve the mystery.

Yup. Also just realised I missed a line out of that message, ... should read that she was "the wife of: James Parker.
Thanks again for your help and advice
phil

Back to the drawing board we go!

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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 18 August 22 03:52 BST (UK) »

SARAH Parker bapt 1 Jan 1829 Wallsend, Northumberland
Birth 17 Oct 1827***
Parents WILLIAM/ISABELLA nee Potts
(F/S.Org)

The above was part of Reply #10 from Trish.

Have you actually seen the image, or just the transcript?
On the actual image, the person who baptized Sarah also noted where each parent was born, and there are witness names that might help.

If you've seen it, I'm still posting in case it helps someone else hunting!

Record set    England & Wales Non-Conformist Births And Baptisms
Denomination    United Secession

Sarah the daughter of William Parker iron worker and Isabella Potts his wife. was
born October 17th 1828 at West House in the Parish of All Saints and county of Northumberland and was baptised January 1st 1829 by me, Robert Vice (?)

The father of this child was born at Colton in the Parish of ?? and in the North Riding of Yorkshire.
The mother of the above mentioned child was born at Forth Bank in the Parish of Saint Johns, Newcastle upon Tyne.
Witnesses: William Pickering, Ann Pickering, Mary Robinson.


The following is a clip of the Parish William was born in. I just can't make it out.







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Re: ORWIN
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 18 August 22 04:20 BST (UK) »
I hadn't seen this particular section and haven't seen the original.
The problem here however is my William Parker, on the 1851 census states he was born in Wandsworth, Surrey.
He was a local voice in Charterist politics of the time and multiple newspaper reports describe him as living in Lime Street, Newcastle which both the 51 census refers too as well as the marriage cert of his daughter.
Do you know where the actual image was accessed?

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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 18 August 22 04:34 BST (UK) »
It's at FindMyPast.  If the birth place is wrong, at least that rules a few census' out!

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« Reply #26 on: Thursday 18 August 22 07:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks again bbart. I had a look at the original. It's tantalisingly close to what I want it to be LOL but all the 1851census and newspaper reports swing it the other way.
I think the William in the FindMyPast record was born in the parish Thirsk which is in the North Riding of Yorkshire but I can't yet make out the actual place, it might refer to Carlton Miniott which was part of Thirsk parish