Karen Cook

[heywood]

Perhaps something here
https://www.manchester.gov.uk/directory_record/212379/electoral_registers/category/1367/view_all_collections

Are they online on any pay site?

I don’t think so. It was the only thing I could think of for an address check - not looking for the mother who, as you say, would not be included.

[CaroleW]

Michael

Please read replies 26 & 32

The only way this is going to be resolved is by DNA using the half siblings - see my earlier reply.

Being realistic - Finding who lived at an address 65yrs ago is pointless as it is not going to prove paternity.  There is also the possibly that the 2 girls had different fathers as mentioned in an earlier reply. 

Finding the name of a father on a possible baptism when he is not named on the birth cert is also extremely unlikely.

Surely the daughter b 1958 knows whether William McDonald was her biological father or not given her mother married him in 1958?  Why has she named him as her father on her tree if she has doubts?

You would be wasting your time looking for baptisms & electoral registers & addresses as that information does not prove paternity.   

If the possible father was a similar age to Adrienne - he would not appear on an ER so how would you proceed then??

The unknown biological father could now be deceased but may have married in which case if there is a DNA match it will be with his descendants

 

[Michael Craig]

Hi All yes Karen does have a sister been told both have the same father which is why the second sister living took on her grandfathers surname as for what ever reason the father on the deceased sister was off the scene
the mother Adrienne Cook then married William stephen Mcdonald both passed away name and yes they married and had 3 further children
as for the 86 Shelly Grove rushulme I got that for the Cemetery records as a listed address of Karen Cook
Of course this address could have been the mothers mother former address or her mothers address i was hoping that there would be a clue maybe a male occupant or parents of that male occupant it was a line of enquiry
I have sent of now for the birth and death certificate in the hope there maybe something as the father was around for the sister at least until pregnet for how long dont know
but mcdonald took on the sister as his own

[Michael Craig]

A name came up for the grandmother before her death as a possible father Goodwin or Goodman was hoping that that name came up at 86 Shelly Grove rushulme who know there is a DNA MATCH

As 1st - snd Counsin to a Peter Hyman  682 cM ACROSS 24 SEGMENTS tried looking for this person in the manchester area no luck althou there is one on ancestry she found but her free account is usless now

as pointers

[CaroleW]

I will be surprised if either Karens birth or death cert give any fathers details.  Same with the sisters birth cert - as she probably already knows.

As I said before - the only way the sister will get any answers is via DNA

[Michael Craig]

Hi all
         the sisters daughter is the one who took the DNA test and peter hyman came up as a 1st to 2nd cousin to Adrienne Cooks grand daughter I got another address on the death certificate as 8 Brighton Grove Manchester so going to the library in the morning to check cabinet 30 and 31 where the electrol register on mirco film is hoping that any of the 3 names are living there still waiting on the birth certificate to come through to see if i can get a link

[heywood]

Good luck, Michael.

Have you been in touch with the DNA contact?
Are you able to see names/places in their ancestry?
If the contact is living, they shouldn’t be named on this site.

[Michael Craig]

Hi Heywood
we tried the dna contact no response i also looked up the people on his tree only three and one private but the dates dont match the father he put in would be too young

I do have a Hannah Isaacson who married Israel Goodman his died 1958 then hannah married a Hyman I think its Vivian J Hyman all passed but cant find any children of Hannah or even a brother of Israel Goodman checked all three surname any help please

still done a goodman and hyman tree based on the dna tree got lots of ancestors but not got Frank Goodman or Peter Hyman yet

[CaroleW]

The Isaacson/Goodman marriage was in 1952

The Israel Goodman who died in 1958 was born in 1883 & died in London

The Israel Goodman in Manchester was b 1930 & died 1991

Wife H was born 1933 & as there is no death or remarriage showing she has to be presumed to be still alive so her name should be removed from your reply above