Karen Cook

[Maiden Stone]

wondering if maybe a baptism record is available all she knows in the childs name and dob being jan 1957 and death in june anything i can look for notices in newspaper ect

Some people placed birth and death announcements in local newspapers. Unlikely to have been a birth announcement if parents of a child weren't married.
For baptisms, you would need to know religious denomination + the area where the child was living or staying when she was baptised so that you can identify what churches were in the area at the time.
If the baby died in hospital, it's possible that a baptism was performed by a hospital chaplain.
Some baptism registers from that decade have been deposited in archives, (Lancashire Archives or Manchester Libraries & Archives) some haven't. E.g. a register of my family's church with 1950's baptisms is in Lancashire Archives but the baptism register immediately preceding it hasn't been deposited there.     

[Michael Craig]

Spoke with family member her mum was born Catholic in Levenshulme so thinking Karen Cook was born there too any help would be great finding a death notice or baptism or church even street ...a 1st cousin on dna match was a hyman got one in stockport with mother maiden name massey nothing else yet any help would be great

[Michael Craig]

Just been told the Adienne Cok lived at Harrison Street I assume that is in Levenshulme and St Peter Church is near by... is there anyone who could look for a baptism at this church for Karen Ann Cook  in Jan to June 1957 hopefully a fathers name maybe listed

[heywood]

Michael,
The last message isn’t very clear because of the typos.
St Peter’s isn’t a Catholic Church in Levenshulme.
You would need to contact the church to check baptism registers at that time or ascertain where they are kept, I would think.
One church I know of which is Levenshulme is St Mary’s Elbow Street.
I also think that the father would need to be present for the baptism to be named in the baptism register.

[Michael Craig]

We don't know if he was or not there it's one line of enquiry the other applying for birth cert and death cert ...all we know the father of Karen and the Sister was not on tge scene when tge sister was born

[heywood]

Is he on the birth certificate?
Is there an address to check on the certificate? You could try electoral registers to see who was living with the mother.

[heywood]

Do you have the death certificate to see who the informant was?

[CaroleW]

Just been told the Adienne Cok

Born 1939 - died 2018

 

[CaroleW]

Summing up

2 illegitimate births to the same mother one year apart - 1957 & 1958

The child born 1957 died shortly after birth - the other is still alive.  Death cert sent for to see who the informant was.

No father named on either birth cert so no evidence that the same man fathered both children.

The mother was born 1939 and married 1958.  There is no evidence at this stage that her husband was the father of either of the 2 children

Michael - were any children born to that 1958 marriage?  I can see 3 possibilities 1959-1962.

If the DNA of the illegitimate child b 1958 is not a paternal match to her half siblings - then somebody else was her father.   

The chances of determining paternity for the child born & died 1957 are remote if not impossible as there is no DNA from that child

I cannot see any further help we can give you as it's all down to DNA matches.