Ellen and James O'Brien 1915

[heywood]

https://www.townlands.ie/waterford/middlethird/trinity-without/trinity-without/

Looks possible for James of James and Mary Sullivan, I think.

But there may be others.

[aghadowey]

Using some of the information already on this thread I did a bit more digging. I might have sorted out the O'Briens a bit more but it might get even more confusing from her on 

The James O'Brien died 1915 was, according to attestation papers, born Trinity Without, Waterford which fits this birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02406/1897450.pdf (born 15 Oct.1890 at Thomas Ave., parents James Brien (smith) & Mary Brien)
“parish of Trinity Without in Waterford City. … Thomas’ Avenue, also known as Wheelbarrow Lane, off Barker Street. This lane was closed by Waterford City Council in the 1960s.” https://www.decadeofcentenaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/John-Condon-Boy-Soldier-Biography.pdf

James O'Brien/Brien, blacksmith was married to Mary Brien. They appear in 1901 census with children James & Bridget. James died 1907 in Waterford Workhouse.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__2/Trinity_Lane/1761752/ (James O’Brien)

Now for some new details. I looked in 1911 for Mary O'Brien, widow, aged about 55, in Waterford and found this one in household of a son-in-law. Her daughter was Bridget and son-in-law William Long! Mary's age is off from 1901 which isn't uncommon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09985/5631572.pdf (his father Thomas Long! and her father James O'Brien with a James O'Brien as witness)

[CaroleW]

Summing up

The Ellen O'Brien who married Ernest Purcell in 1915 is definitely the widow of the James O'Brien who was killed in 1915 in WW1

However - whether she is the Ellen Long who married a James O'Brien in 1915 Waterford remains to be seen and it will need the 1916 marriage cert to Purcell to compare her fathers name & occupation.  Children born to the Purcell marriage have mmn Furlong

Ellen Long's birthdate is given as 6.12.1893 - whilst the year of birth is often incorrect on 1939 entries - the day & month tend to be correct.  Not in this case.

There is no Ellen Furlong on the Irish or English 1901/1911 censuses matching her profile.

Reading reply above - if Ellen was b 1893 - where is she in 1901 as she is not with parents on the 1901 entry details given above

[heywood]

Oh that marriage sounds really good, aghadowey. That’s great. 

So, it looks as though it is the one I posted about - mother Mary Sullivan.
 I thought that when I saw the Condon information and the map of the townland.

[heywood]

Carole,
Sorry to keep mentioning it but there are two Purcell/Long births. One may still be living.

[CaroleW]

Sorry Heywood - I had completely missed that  .  So on the Purcell births there are a mixture of mmn's.  Long/Furlong/O'Brien

[heywood]

I have just found a likely death for the person born 1937 but will not name them just in case.

[Maiden Stone]

Using some of the information already on this thread I did a bit more digging. I might have sorted out the O'Briens a bit more but it might get even more confusing from her on 

Now for some new details. I looked in 1911 for Mary O'Brien, widow, aged about 55, in Waterford and found this one in household of a son-in-law. Her daughter was Bridget and son-in-law William Long! Mary's age is off from 1901 which isn't uncommon.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1910/09985/5631572.pdf (his father Thomas Long! and her father James O'Brien with a James O'Brien as witness)

The other marriage witness was Bridget Corcoran. Married name of Bridget Long, Ellen Long's elder sister was Corcoran. Her husband was Richard Corcoran. Bridget Corcoran & 2 of her children were with the Long family on 1901 census. Link to that household return on Carolyn's "Thomas Long" thread.
This is turning out be not so much a family tree but rather a hedge. If I understand correctly, James  O'Brien and William Long were brothers-in-law twice over. Had James survived the war and had children with Ellen, they would have been double cousins to children of William & Bridget Long.