Finding birth record

[sophiamarina]

He says "Rhuabon" in 1911 - there's a few the right sort of age in that area in earlier years

He might be a bit older than he claims. Edith Emma Morris who dies in 1902 was b c1868, and appears on 1901 to be a widow

Mm, I noticed she was a bit older than him. Interesting, thanks. Hopefully their wedding certificate will shed some light on his age at the time... Or muddy the waters further!
Just out of curiosity, do you recall where Edith was living in 1901? Was it Devon or Wales?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

She's living with her parents John & Elizabeth Dart in Exeter. She's a widowed confectioner's assistant, with a daughter who is still in Exeter in 1911

[MonicaL]

What birth place showed for John in 1921?

Monica

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This presumably is related to Edith's death

MORRIS, EDITH  NORA
mmn      DART     
Q4  1902 
EXETER  Volume 05B  Page 70


MORRIS, EDITH  NORA
Age at death      0 
Q1 1903
EXETER  Volume 05B  Page 70

[sophiamarina]

 Thanks, Mabel! Sounds like he was off to Exeter almost before the ink was dry on the 1901 census then (not that it makes any difference really, but interesting to have a picture of his movements).

MonicaL - it was Rhuabon again. I've put more faith in that since he gave it himself in 1911 and 1921, whereas in 1901 he was just a boarder and perhaps had less control over what was written (obviously Mold is the nearest big town to R(h)uabon though).

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Edith's father was a butcher, so they were all from the same class of small time shop keeper/worker.

Also worth noting the marriage was in Q2 and the death (presumably soon after Edith Nora's birth) in Q4. Either Edith Nora was premature or was already on the way when they married

[mckha489]

I wonder if Nora is significant, as daughter Daisy Nora Ann b 1912.

[sophiamarina]

This presumably is related to Edith's death

MORRIS, EDITH  NORA
mmn      DART     
Q4  1902 
EXETER  Volume 05B  Page 70


MORRIS, EDITH  NORA
Age at death      0 
Q1 1903
EXETER  Volume 05B  Page 70

Oh, that's very sad. What a sad coda to the tale 

I just double-checked on FreeBMD and think perhaps you meant to write Edith Emma for the mum?

Interesting that baby was Edith Nora, as John's eldest daughter from his second marriage had the middle name Nora and was known as Nora.

[sophiamarina]

I wonder if Nora is significant, as daughter Daisy Nora Ann b 1912.

You beat me to it! Yes, she was known as Nora too.

Mabel - that's interesting, starting to get a fuzzy picture of these butchers, confectioners and shoe shop keepers!