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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 08 June 22 23:52 BST (UK) »

 No William died  :'(
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JEFFEREY, WILLIAM       age 0 
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in RUGBY  Volume 16  Page 348
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 09 June 22 00:01 BST (UK) »
Oh no, how awful for them.

I'm still looking in 1861 with no luck yet.

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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 09 June 22 00:58 BST (UK) »
I don't think the Rugby births are the right family - Mary Ann Wright and John Jeffery were married in 1849 so too late for the birth of Edward who was born in 1844 as per the 1851 census  :(

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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 09 June 22 03:06 BST (UK) »
Yes, I am not fully confident either.

That marriage for Mary Ann Wright to John Jeffery in Lutterworth is 1st quarter 1848.
That works for the birth of the daughter Mary Ann in 1849. Lutterworth is very near Dunchurch where the baptism records were.

The boy named Edward is born such a lot earlier (1844, supposedly Gloucestershire?!) and then a five year gap to Mary Ann. I wonder if he was a child to a previous marriage for either John or Mary Ann, or an illegitimate son for one of them. They were both old enough to have had a child in 1844.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 09 June 22 07:01 BST (UK) »
I have had a very long search for this family in the 1861 census - cannot find any member of the family. Most infuriating ! :-\


When Mary Ann married in May 1866, she was only about 17yrs, yet she says she was full age. Husband, Henry was 19 but also said he was full age – perhaps they were married without parents’ knowledge, and so they lied about age. Or her parents were not alive anymore?
Her address was Kent St, Southwark. Same as Henry. When did she move to this area in Surrey?

I think you might need to have a look at this marriage certificate and / or birth cert of one of the boys to see if that helps sort out the issue.

That marriage for Mary Ann Wright to John Jeffery in Lutterworth is 1st quarter 1848.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 09 June 22 11:41 BST (UK) »
I know - it's driving me mad trying to find them!

Henry's parents were both still alive at the time of their marriage. I don't know about Mary Ann as the only information I have about her father is that his name was John and he was a labourer. Both Henry and Mary Ann say that they were living in the Kent Street Borough, but all the records I have say that Henry was actually living in Deptford.

No idea when she moved to Surrey. There are lots of potential entries for domestic servants in 1861 - perhaps with the incorrect birth place listed?

She was also admitted in and out of the workhouse/infirmary as she got older. I've looked at the relatives listed upon her admission and none of them are her maiden family. On one entry, it says George (Brother) at Oakhurst Farm, Eltham. I was so hopeful but unfortunately this was actually an in-law.

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Re: Help with deciphering birthplace
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 09 June 22 11:46 BST (UK) »
I've also looked at the first and middle names of Henry and Mary Ann's children to see if any could have been passed on. Unfortunately, the names all seem to come from Henry's side, with some of them being exactly the same as the names of Henry's siblings.