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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 20:27 BST (UK) »
It's not unknown to register a child with one name and then baptise them with another. Perhaps parents had a difference of opinion?

Maiden name is not shown as a matter of course on baptisms. There are some detailed registers that do show the maiden name but not this one.

Alice Brownbill's father is Henry. A common naming pattern is first son after father's father and second son after mother's father. Their second son seems to be Henry with a version of Brownbill as a middle name.

1841 census shows Thomas as not born in county.
Possible burial
Childwall 16 Nov 1848 Thomas Ditchfield 48 Woolton
so this death reg
Thomas Ditchfield 48 dec qtr 1848 Prescot vol 20 pg 671
also
Elizabeth Ditchfield 52 june qtr 1851 prescot vol 20 pg 633
burial Childwall 11 May 1851 of Much Woolton

There are Ditchfields across the county boundary in Lymm. Possible baptism?
19 Nov 1797 Thomas son of Thomas & Susannah Ditchfield, date of birth 14 Oct.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 20:58 BST (UK) »
There are Ditchfields across the county boundary in Lymm. Possible baptism?
19 Nov 1797 Thomas son of Thomas & Susannah Ditchfield, date of birth 14 Oct.

I have links to the Ditchfields in Lymm and think this Thomas was buried in Lymm in 1843 aged 46, but it's a distant branch so I haven't checked it out 100%.
ANT: Nesbit, Potts; CHS: Gosling (Hazel Grove/Lymm), Hinton (Lymm), Johnson (Hazel Grove), Marsland (Hazel Grove), Massey (Daresbury), Sorton (Warmingham); LAN: Jackson, James, Potts (Manchester/Salford); MAY: Caulfield, Griffin (Leveelick); SAL: Goodwin, Johnson (Bridgnorth), Gregory (Wellington); STS: Goodwin, Gregory, Johnson (Wolverhampton); Hallett (Trysull); SOM: Dowding, James, Jones (Bath)

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 21:31 BST (UK) »
yes, just found that burial - Thomas noted as living in Runcorn. Oh well.

The 1851 census for the Ditchfields isn't very clear, transcribed on FamilySearch as Duchfield
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYL-HKS
Alice Pinnington is a married daughter
marriage reg Robert Pennington sept qtr 1850 West Derby vol 20 pg 1015 with Alice Ditchfield on the same page - Lancashire bmd shows the marriage as taking place in Childwall All Saints.

Elizabeth is shown as Betty born Farnworth
Possible baptism
Farnworth 11 May 1800 Bettey daughter of Henry & Bettey Brownbill

Other baptisms in Farnworth to Henry & Betty/Elizabeth Brownbill
Henry 1802
John 1804
William 1806
Joseph 1809
Alice 1812
John 1815 - Henry noted as labourer of Widnes
Richard 1816 Henry noted as farmer of Widnes on this baptism. Richard buried in 1834 address Gatacre.
John 1819


Marriage in Warrington 26 Dec 1796 Henry Brownbill & Betty Lucas
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 07 June 22 22:57 BST (UK) »
Brownbill was his middle name

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7KW-C2X

The marriage to Elizabeth Gill was in Wigan 1821

The fact you cannot find another marriage is down to the possibility they have not been transcribed
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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 08 June 22 09:49 BST (UK) »
all this is within 5 miles from where I live
Ditchfield
Brownbill
Pye - all these families still here
would you like me to contact a Ditchfield to read this thread ?...
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 08 June 22 10:12 BST (UK) »
possibility for the marriage?
Daresbury Cheshire 19 Nov 1820 Thomas Ditchfield & Betty Brandwell both otp both marked, witnesses Thomas Hall & Stephen?
Wonder if Brandwell is a mishearing of Brownhill? Not finding a candidate for Betty Brandwell in the area.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N42X-G25

Register image shows Henry's middle name as Browbill, no n.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89GF-B1NJ?i=424
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 08 June 22 10:15 BST (UK) »
possibility for the marriage?
Daresbury Cheshire 19 Nov 1820 Thomas Ditchfield & Betty Brandwell both otp both marked, witnesses Thomas Hall & Stephen?
Wonder if Brandwell is a mishearing of Brownhill? Not finding a candidate for Betty Brandwell in the area.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N42X-G25

Register image shows Henry's middle name as Browbill, no n.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89GF-B1NJ?i=424
Daresbury now adjoins Runcorn
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 June 22 10:52 BST (UK) »
all this is within 5 miles from where I live
Ditchfield
Brownbill
Pye - all these families still here
would you like me to contact a Ditchfield to read this thread ?...
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Yes please, its all getting a bit confusing for me.  Thanks
Rawsthorne from Ormskirk in Lancashire
Hamilton from Scotland and Cumberland
Riley from Wexford in Ireland
Glendinnings from Cumbria
Noble/Ditchfield/Barton - Lancashire

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Re: help with family DITCHFIELD
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 June 22 12:45 BST (UK) »
i have sent messages out to them ... :)
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford