help with family DITCHFIELD

[fossey]

I am not sure I am on the right family.  I have a Joseph Ditchfield, (i know he is right as my great grandfather) can not find his birth registered anywhere, but found a baptism in 1847 giving his mother and father as Thomas and Alice.  I have his marriage cert stating father as shoemaker in 1867 at Edge Hill church West Darby Lancashire.   I have Thomas and Alice Pye marriage cert giving Thomas as his father a labourer in 1844 at Warrington.

I have Josephs brother Henry and other family members on  GRO with the mothers maiden name as Pye /Pie and have them in 51 and 61 living together, father had died by 61.  Its him I am struggling with.  I have him Thomas christened in 1824 giving Thomas and Elizabeth as parents.  I thought I had his parents marriage Thomas Ditchfield and Elizabeth Gill, but now I am not sure it is right. 

Thomas the shoemaker was living in 41 with another family at Dog House Lane West Derby and the Thomas and Elizabeth living at Much Woolton with their other kids (or at least I think it is).  How do I know where to go from here please.   As GRO gave the youngest child Roseanna as MMN as Brownbill and if that is right the son Henry Brownbill has her name.  But I dont know if this Thomas and Elizabeth are the rights ones.

Any advice on where to go to find this out would be great, thanks Angela

[osprey]

on the 1841 census for the Ditchfield family, there's also an Alice and Mary Brownbill

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQG4-D5Z

baptism
Childwall 3 May 1835 Mary daughter of Alice Brownbill, spinster

Alice's marriage 14 May 1843
James Watkinson full bach labourer Woolton father Thomas Aitbury gardener
Alice Brownbill full spinster Woolton father Henry Brownbill labourer
witnesses Thomas & Elizabeth Ditchfield, all marked.

Possible burial
13 May 1858 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot
Thomas Ditchfield age 32

[CaroleW]

Basically - you are looking for the parents of Thomas Ditchfield b 1822 Warrington as per the 1851 census - is that correct?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF2G-FF7

[CaroleW]

GRO online has a birth for a Thomas Ditchfield March qtr 1847 Warrington - mmn Pye.  If all his siblings are mmn Pye perhaps they had a change of mind about his name when he was baptised hence Joseph.

1851 etc shows his birthplace as Warrington

[osprey]

was just about to suggest that birth reg as well. The 1847 baptism for Joseph gives date of birth as 26 Dec 1846 so more than likely registered march qtr 1847.

[osprey]

1841 census for the Ditchfields has Henry aged 14

Baptism Warrington 15 Jan 1826
Henry Browbill son of Thomas, labourer, & Elizabeth Ditchfield of Manchester Lane

[fossey]

1841 census for the Ditchfields has Henry aged 14

Baptism Warrington 15 Jan 1826
Henry Browbill son of Thomas, labourer, & Elizabeth Ditchfield of Manchester Lane

Where would I find her maiden name, as I have an Elizabeth Gill, but if this is the right family her maiden name would be Brownbill.

[fossey]

GRO online has a birth for a Thomas Ditchfield March qtr 1847 Warrington - mmn Pye.  If all his siblings are mmn Pye perhaps they had a change of mind about his name when he was baptised.

1851 etc shows his birthplace as Warrington

All the census up to 21 states Warrington as his birth place.  Is that a common thing to change a name after baptism, then he goes back to that name (Joseph) afterwards, as they had another child called Thomas who was born 1854.

[fossey]

on the 1841 census for the Ditchfield family, there's also an Alice and Mary Brownbill

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQG4-D5Z

baptism
Childwall 3 May 1835 Mary daughter of Alice Brownbill, spinster

Alice's marriage 14 May 1843
James Watkinson full bach labourer Woolton father Thomas Aitbury gardener
Alice Brownbill full spinster Woolton father Henry Brownbill labourer
witnesses Thomas & Elizabeth Ditchfield, all marked.

Possible burial
13 May 1858 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot
Thomas Ditchfield age 32

Thanks yes I noticed that name too, just wish I knew if this was the right family, got to be a clue in there somewhere.