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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 26 June 22 22:11 BST (UK) »
In addition to the problems that Biggles50 has highlighted difficulties occur if a marriage happens between two people who are related.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 26 June 22 22:23 BST (UK) »
I'm trying to help her realise not everything has do be done on computer/laptop/ipad or any other techy device but will produce the same results via the old fashioned way ;)
We were/are discussing the use of a spreadsheet (LEEDS METHOD) using the data which is already on Brigids' family tree on ancestry & her DNA matches
It's more about her being able to see at a glance on a spreadsheet (off computer) exactly where her matches descend from which is far easier than viewing them on ancestry itself.

The visual (on paper) is so much easier than trying to work through ancestry matches as it's all in one place, all matches are visible on the spreadsheet & any overlaps can be seen at a glance.

In my view, the LEEDS METHOD is 2nd to none & the way to go.

Not a totally valid statement.

The Leeds Method does not work for either my DNA matches or my Wife’s.

Leeds Method prime criteria:-

1) Use only matches between 90 & 400 cM.

2) Do not use matches that start sharing at Grandparent level.

3) Use 2C and 3C.

Using this criteria I cannot group many of my DNA matches into a specific Grandparent as per the method.

My Wife has only 1 DNA match in Criteria 1) which is the Son of her Cousin and hence is well known but he has no tree.  All her other matches and well below 90 cM.

Ergo

The Leeds Method is not the be all and end all of techniques.

Same thing with DNA Painters WATO tool, it has limitations that apply to my own use of it yet the website is adamant that it is valid.  It to is a tool but should be considered accurate only if other supportive research validates the chosen probability.
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Biggles, I agree for the lower end of the criteria range it doesn't work but in Brigid's case, I think with her knowledge of DNA matching, she'd soon find a way to link lower matches.

It was basically to help Brigid with what she's already been doing, except on paper in front of her being as she has a phobia of computers.

I have numerous matches from around 4th - 8th cousins with no shared matches, some with no trees, others with e.g. 20 people in a tree going back to maybe grandparents/g g/parents who would be ages with my parents & g/parents i.e. not enough info. to follow back & absolutely no way of working out which side or anything else as surnames often don't match those of my ancestors especially where the link is through a female further back.

Anyway, for those with the criteria required, I still think the LEEDS METHOD is best!

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 26 June 22 22:40 BST (UK) »
In addition to the problems that Biggles50 has highlighted difficulties occur if a marriage happens between two people who are related.
I agree there too but I think where people are trying to work out their descent/relatives/match connections etc. the LEEDS METHOD is a general guide to the 'average/normal' likelihood, however, a paper trail should/would help those matches.

In my own tree I have 2 sisters married to the same man!
I also have relatives marrying relatives & brothers/sisters marrying sisters/brothers (not their own siblings)!

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #39 on: Monday 25 July 22 16:54 BST (UK) »
I use the colour coding and love it. It has helped answer many questions. The only problem is that I ran out of colours a very long time ago.


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Colour coding matches
« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 26 July 22 11:27 BST (UK) »
Running out of colours

When you've solved some mysteries you can remove some categories and rename

For example I had two colours for mother's side and father's side now ancestry does that for you so I painstakingly removed all those in those colour groups and added another classification with the freed up colour
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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 27 July 22 01:14 BST (UK) »
I use the colour coding and love it. It has helped answer many questions. The only problem is that I ran out of colours a very long time ago.
Do you mean on ancestry or elsewhere (online) or your own home-made excel or other sheet where you're not limited to just colours & stars or whatever?

Is it not possible to use symbols, numbers or initials (anything personalised) to help further?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 25 June 23 07:31 BST (UK) »
I've just recommended colour coding to someone and seen that there weren't any posts about it near the top of this forum
This particular thread is now long and a bit convoluted

Since it started . There have been developments in Ancestry DNA classifications + in personal trees

There NEEDS s to be a A post about colour coding in the orange stickered topics .

What can we suggest to admin

Could some clever person start a new one with quotes from this topic
Including the late Guy who's insights and explanations were often spot on !



 

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Re: Colour coding matches
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 25 June 23 07:39 BST (UK) »
Ethnicity is often neglected but can be VERY important

My cousin has a small amount of some African DNA
I've not yet solved that mystery but  colour cide all matches which show up that have this ethnicity

Meanwhile I've helped a man with a known African grandfather and do the same with separate colours for the matches with Ghanain ethnicity .surnames or located in Ghana
+ A different colour for sierra Leone
 
This man's mother was half African half Welsh
Ancestry only separated out Welsh ethnicity recently

It's very useful for me to know if my DNA matches have Welsh ethnicity and how much

+ Can add colour codes to people with no trees according to there ethnicity
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