Bureau families UK….. any connection?

[Eyesee]

According to FreeBMD Valentine John BYLES married Jane BUREAU in 1875 in Bristol.

There are a number of trees on Ancestry that have him and Jane as having children in the 1850s and 1860s, although she is called Lettice Jane. Is it possible that it is Lettice that died in 1855 and Jane got together with Mr Byles but did not marry him until later on.

GRO has mmn of children after 1855 as JONES which if it is Jane then that would still be correct.

Of course you may know all of this already.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

1861 census Bangor Wales

BYLES John, head, m, 36, Coast guard, born Hampshire
BYLES Jane, wife, m, 35, - , born Pembrokesh.
BYLES Samuel, son, 9, scholar, born Hampshire, Southsea
BYLES Charles, son, 8, scholar, born Sheppey
BYLES William, son, 4, born Hampshire, Landport
BYLES Rosetta, dau, 2, born Carnarvonshire, Bangor
BYLES John, son, 3m, born ditto.

Samuel's mmn JONES, so probably Lettice's

No sign of birth for a Charles BYLES in 1852-3. Is he the Charles Abraham Bureau born Dec qtr 1852. Fits with age and birthplace. See reply #4 by amondg.

Other BYLES children all have mmn as JONES, so probably Jane's.

The trees on Ancestry would appear to have confused the two Jones sisters hence the name Lettice Jane.

Valentine was going by John as well. He died 1900 and Jane in 1901, both in Neyland, Pembrokeshire.

As I said in the previous post you may already know all of this.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

In 1871 Charles BYLES aged 19 is on the Anson in the RN at Chatham, Kent.

In 1881 he is back in Wales with John and Jane aged 28 a Mariner.

His naval records are on Ancestry. Gives his birthdate as 22 Oct 1852, Sheerness, Kent. Joined in 1870 for 10 years.

Can't find him after 1881 as BYLES.

In 1891 and 1901 he is Charles A BUREAU in Aberdare, Wales. Died there in 1904.

Ian C

[Eyesee]

Some trees on Ancestry for Charles Abraham with his parents as Charles BUREAU and Jane JONES. One of them has a link to a baptism of a Jane JONES on 29 Dec 1822 at Moncton, Pembroke, parents Thomas and Mary.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/62109/images/004220539_00034?pId=286300

Ian C

[clarecuba]

Thanks for this. Louise and I already have the info. This Jones family is proving very elusive atm. But I'm optimistic we'll find them eventually. But, yes, Jones/Wales/needle/haystack!

[clarecuba]

Thanks so much Eyesee! I wonder if the Jane Jones born/baptised 1822, dad Thomas, mum Mary, is ours?? It could be promising. The Pembroke archives couldn't find anything, but they were looking in Cuffern/Roch parishes, as directed by me, as Jane and Lettice's birthplace is given as Cuffern on the censuses. His occupation as mariner could fit in with what's on the girls' marriage certificates, as rigger.

[clarecuba]

So maybe we've been looking in the wrong place, ie Cuffern? But why would they have put that? Mystery. And, yes, I've seen references to Lettice having several more children with Val John; bit difficult when she died in 1855! The 2 girls were sisters. Mary was another, older sister. It was illegal until about 1910 to marry your deceased spouse's sibling, but it did happen. If you moved to another part of the country, who would know? We don't know why Jane and Val J waited 28 years to tie the knot. Not sure if you know this, but we very recently discovered what happened to Charles Bureau, Jane's hubby. Killed in a tragic accident at sea in June 1853. No death certificate issued; royal naval records expunged. We know a lot more now about his French Canadian - Quebec from records there. Interesting to note that Bureau is as common a name there as Jones is in Wales!