John Edwards from - take your pick!

[Gadget]

There's an interesting entry on the 1841  in Llandysilio, Llanfyllin


Edward Edwards, 30, ag lab
Elizbeth, 25
Edward, 3
Cuffin, 7 months
David Thomas. 70
Ann Thomas, 60

All b. County except David and Ann

Cuffin's birth reg:
Dec q, 1840, Llanfyllin, 27/76  MMN Jones  (add - 1841 was held in June)

Not sure but worth following - ages seem similar, allowing for aging down on 1841, and b county could be correct depending on PL Union

[osprey]

There's an 1851 census for Cuffin with same parents

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGD9-MBR

He married in 1866
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFFX-TTY

and died in 1876
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPJ3-47LV

[osprey]

baptism in Selattyn
29 Sept 1849 Mary daughter of Edward, labourer, and Elizabeth Edwards of Hengoed. Date of birth noted as 4 Sept 1849. Can't see a birth reg to check mother's maiden name.

 

[Gadget]

It should be Oswestry RD if it was registered.

[Gadget]

baptism in Selattyn
29 Sept 1849 Mary daughter of Edward, labourer, and Elizabeth Edwards of Hengoed. Date of birth noted as 4 Sept 1849. Can't see a birth reg to check mother's maiden name.

 

Like you, I've searched  but nothing fits.  She might not have been registered. I didn't find a definite for David either, just the baptism.

Mind, I had a family who only registered the births after the 1874 Act. I assume that they might have thought that baptism was enough.

[osprey]

the baptism for John shows his date of birth as 30 Sept so baptised the same day. So birth would probably be registered dec qtr 1856. Possible birth reg
John Edwards dec qtr 1856 Oswestry vol 6a pg 591 mmn Roberts

possible marriage reg - civil marriage at Llanfyllin according to North Wales bmd
Edward Edwards june qtr 1842 Llanfyllin vol 27 pg 129 with Elizabeth Roberts on the same page

possible birth reg
David Edwards june qtr 1843 Llanfyllin vol 27 pg 85 mmn Roberts

[Gadget]

The closest that I can find for a bapt for an Elizabeth Roberts in Llansilin at about the right time is

 25 March 1815  Elizabeth  d of Edward and Jane of Selattyn. Edward a labourer.

Selattyn and Llansilin parish share a boundary . A pity it doesn't give the township.

[Lesleyann]

Thank you so much for your replies.  I'm going to look through them now. Sorry, I meant his wife was with him up to 1891. He was with his daughter after that, also called Alice.

I think you've cracked it, you wonderful lot! Gelligaer is the area where John's wife died, it's right next door to Tirphil. I found Wyndham living in Ynysybwl which is where John lived with his daughter after his wife died - and where I lived too! Poor Wyndham was killed at Ypres when he'd been married for just a year. Alice, John's wife, died of peritonitis after childbirth in July 1891 but we don't know if the child lived. John already had a year-old child and went to live with family in Ynysybwl.  He may not have been able to cope on his own with the child and a newborn baby. I now know that John had family very near to him in Gelligaer so it's possible the child was given to someone there to bring up. My grandmother never knew about a sibling, she always said she was an only child.

Thank you so much, you've solved a puzzle that's been part of my life for quite a few years!

[Lesleyann]

To bring you kind people up to date, I now have John's birth certificate based on the information you supplied. His birth was registered in Oswestry, registrar's district St. Martin's, in the counties of Salop and Denbigh, on 3 November 1856.  He was born on 30 September 1856 in Daywell, Whittington, to Elizabeth Edwards, formerly Roberts and Edward Edwards, agricultural labourer.

I have sent for the marriage cert of Edward and Elizabeth which has been dispatched today. The birth cert I had as a PDF so it came quicker.