John Johnson (Johnston)

[trisholdham]

I Have an Ancestor born in Red lion St Wapping name John Johnston born 10th Sept 1802 baptised 12th Oct 1802 fathers name Magnus a master mariner and mother Henrietta, church address is St John Green Bank Middlesex. the record has been done by London Docklands and East End Baptisms, the Transcription is from Docklands Ancestors. what I cant find is the original document, Findmypast has only a typed transcription, and I need to know if John was born at 7, Red Lion St or number 4 Red Lions St Wapping.

[amondg]

Not an answer but 1841 if it's the same man he was living at 7 Red Lion Court, Wapping occupation -Cooper

[amondg]

Probably not the same man.
Articles of Clerkship 1818 John Johnson son of Magnus of Rotherhithe Surrey, apprenticed to Stephen Richards.

He was a lawyer

[Bookbox]

what I cant find is the original document, Findmypast has only a typed transcription, and I need to know if John was born at 7, Red Lion St or number 4 Red Lions St Wapping.

I’m afraid you’re most unlikely to get a house-number in a London parish register as early as 1802.

The images of this Wapping baptism register aren’t online. Depending on your level of interest, you could order a printout of the entry from the microfilm held at London Metropolitan Archives (£8.50).

ask.lma@cityoflondon.gov.uk

[trisholdham]

thank you very much for the information.

[amondg]

Are you trying to sort out the different Magnus Johnson families?

Tax lists
(1794, leased from Samuel Sorrell). 1801-1807 Wapping Red Lyon Street, Owner

1798 Greenwich Kent, owner John Slate

1814-1819 Rotherhithe Surrey

There may be more, these are from ancestry.
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Magnus Johnson was buried 2 August 1823 St Mary's Rotherhithe age 75 so born circa 1748.
keep in mind the age is given by a living relative.
He left a will:  (is this where you are headed)
Son Magnus Johnson
son James Johnson
son John Johnson - he gets the property at 4 Red Court Street Wapping
son William
Daughter Caroline Ashby Johnson
Good friends John Fulham Turner and Frederick Mangles
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Magnus Johnson married Henrietta Elizabeth Breese 20 January 1791 St James Jamaica.
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The Magnus Johnson who marries Jane Turner 10 October 1826 in Wapping has to be the son of Magnus died 1823 as the witnesses are his sister Caroline Ashby Johnson, John Fulham Turner, James Mangle(y?) and Mary Ann Angell.

Children found so far of Magnus and Henrietta- note all at St Mary Rotherhithe.

Harriot Johnson bap 30 June 1804 age 43 days buried 1 February 1805
Maria Turner Johnson bap 1 March 1806 -not mentioned in will died before 1823
William Johnson bap 29 October 1807
Caroline Ashby Johnson bap 14 June 1810 age 36 days
Mary Elizabeth Johnson                      --buried 14 September 1811
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As in previous post son John is apprenticed to be a Solicitor/Lawyer in 1818 father Magnus of Rotherhithe.

[amondg]

Then there is the Stepney Magnus Johnson who married Eleanor Cordee 28 May 1798
In 1841 says he was born Scotland

He was buried Tower Hamlets Cemetery 1850 age 92 so born circa 1758. It is a private grave his wife Eleanor is also buried there. The owner being Thomas Andrew Johnson (the son)

children so far all at St George in the East Stepney
Eleanor Jane born 27 October 1799 bap 8 February 1801-she married John Pugh 1819 at Holborn
William James Edward born 24 June 1808 bap 2 October1808
Thomas Andrew    baptized 29 December 1816
Louisa Margaret born 14 January 1820 bap 19 November - she married Henry Jeffreys 19 December 1852. her address 5 White Horse Street at St Dunstan's

Not sure about this one
Joshua Johnson age 54 (circa 1801)father Magnus -mariner married Elizabeth Flockton widow age 42 on 24 December 1858 her father John Edmonds
He was living at 4 White Horse Lane, married at St Dunstan's

[trisholdham]

Thank you for all your information, I do have quite a bit on Magnus but I need more proof that John born in 1802  in Red Lion St was born at no 4 or no 7 as I know John dies at no 7 Red Lion St and also that MAGNUS Will leaves his son John no 4 Red Lion St, are they the same son, (so many have on  their tree John as the father and not Magnus)  I am pretty sure Magnus is the father but I need more proof. Findmypast does not let me know the number of the house on his baptism.