Barrett Radbourne

[betton39]

Trying to help my best friend with her family history and it's got me really frustrated.. Need some help please.

Her grandfather was called Albert G Barrett. He was born 1st January 1915 in Arlesford Hampshire
The son of BRYCE/Brice Bertie Barraett.and Kate ( maiden name Spencer)

Bryce is the start of the problem
Timeline going backwards...
 1965.     Gravestone in Alrestord gives surname Barrett... 31st May 1965... With wife Kate

1939.  Elm cottage , Alresford..  Brice B Barrett..born 1886. Shown with wife Kate. And children
              Henry J 1908   Thomas F 1912 and Albert G 1915
* All children registered and birth as Barrett. Mothers maiden name Spencer
  They also had a daughter called Ethel Barrett who was baptised 1906 in Cheriton.  fathers occupation bricklayer

1914....WW1 Brice Bertie Barrett.

This is where I lose the plot...
1911  census ...Bishops Sutton, Alresford
Brice Bertie RADBOURNE.... 24 occ. bricklayer born Newbury
His wife is kate... His daughter Ethel... Is not barrett. Neither is Henry James..and a new name Elizabeth Kate.

1906... Brice Bertie Radbourne married Kate Spencer in 1906

1891... I have found Brice born in Newbury.c.1887 living with his parents. Henry and Mary Radbourne. In Bradley.

My problem.
The only living relative , bless him has the start of alzeimers..but he remembers his dad's name is Albert George Barrett... He knows his grandfather's name was Bryce and grandma as kate. He knows the name Radbourne. But the details are very hazy to why the change.
I cannot find any concrete details

Anyone out there can help me with this mystery. It would mean so much.x

[mckha489]

Just to add to the puzzle really.

FindMyPast have electoral rolls. he is Radbourne right up to 1915

And yet in September 1906 there is a baptism at Wrecclesham, St Peter, Surrey. for Ethel daughter of Brice Bertie and Kate Barrett
Bricklayer
Abode Cheriton, Hants

[mckha489]

I see he had a grandmother whose surname was Barrett.

Perhaps he just came from one of those families that commonly used different surnames, and then once he had to settle on something permanently he decided on Barrett.

He was obviously using both for at least 9 years.  And perhaps earlier than 1906 too.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Not an easy start there.I'm sorry you're having so muuch trouble
Let's add a few years to that timeline
1939 DOB 9th Oct 1886 as Barrett.
1931-1923 Bertie Brice Barrett on Hampshire Electoral rolls
1921 census Bertie Brice Barrett Kate,Ethel and 4 others Alresford
1918 Brice Bertie Barret and Kate at Gascoigne Lane Hampshire Electoral Registers.

We know that marriage in 1906  has to be right because of the children's mother's maiden names.
Including Elizabeth Kate born Sep qtr 1910 and with the family on the 1921 census.

So he as you say changes his name  during the turn of the century and settles on Barrett by 1918.
But he is not the only one of the family.
His brother Arthur Radbourne 1891 census born 1883 Woodspe Newbury also marries with Barrett in his name
Arthur Barrett Radbourne married Alresford Hants Dec qtr 1906 to Agnes Harfield.

If you push back to 1881 at Marsh Farm Newbury they are all Barrett
Henry Barrett 30 labourer Benham Berkshire
Mary A 28 laundress Speen Berkshire
Rosina 8
Henry p 4
Henry J Wotten 18 lodger lab Speen

1871 Henry Barrett is a lodger aged 21 Ag  lab Hoe Benham Berks at Lambourn Road Speen with the Walters family.

Trying to find the birth reg of Bryce and his siblings
Rosina Barrett June 1872 Newbury no mothers maiden name
Annie Barrett June 1875 Newbury Walters
Henry George Barrett Sep 1877 Walters
Arthur Barrett June 1882 Newbury Waters
Ernest Bert Dec 1886 Newbury Walters
Gertrude Barrett June 1884 Kingsclere Walters
Frederick William R Barrett Mar 1896 Alresford Walters.

So it does look like it is Bryce's father who started the name change and he just moved back to his given surname at Birth. Not sure how Ernest turned into Bryce but it does seem to be them.
The 1906 marriage cert should confirm his father as Henry  which for me would clinch it.

Henry Barrett married Mary Ann Walters 7.10.1871 at Speen
He is a bach full age lab. She is a minor d of George Sims Walters lab.
No father is given for Henry and he is living with his grandfather in 1851.

1851 Hoe Benham Newbury
Charles Barrett 76 parish relief Welford Berks
Fanny wife 74 East Garton
Thomas Greyhorn? 36 son in law ag lab Kintbury (Actually Trayhorn -marriage Dec qtr 1849)
Harriet daughter 36 Welford
Harriet Barrett 19 grandaughter Welford
Ellen 13 same Welford
Rhoda 7 Welford
Henry 1 grandson Welford.

I'm guessing Henry's parenst are un married .His mother is a Miss Barrett and his father a Mr Radbourne.As a English birth certificate has no surname for the baby he would be entitled to use either.

I'm struggling to see a birth reg for any of the grandchildren - Henry,Harriet Ellen or Rhoda but I'll keep looking

Ciderdrinker

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Here's Charles and Frances's children -Henry's parent has to be one of them

William Barrett 9.6.1800 Wickham and Hoe Benham.
Ann Barrett 23.8.1801 East Garston m John Prout 8.11.1824
Hannah 9.10l.1803 Welford and Wickham married  William Bishop 3.5.1830
John 27.10.1805 Welford and Wickham
Thomas Wickham and Hoe Bentham 17.1.1808
Jeremiah 4.2.1810 Welford and Wickham (father of the granddaughter Harriet 1851 census)
Jonathon 12.4.1812 Welford and Wickham
Harriet 31.1.1815 Welford
David 14.1.1817 Welford
Eliza 30.5.1819 Welford

Charles married 8 Dec 1798 at East Gerston of Welford to Frances Kempster of East Garston.

Could it just be possible that Trayhorne turned into Radbourne and that Henry was born just before Harriet Barrett's marriage to Thomas Trayhorne?
Still can't see a birth reg though.


Ciderdrinker

[betton39]

1841 census" faircross welford"
Charles Barrett 66 ag lab
Fanny 64
Harriett 24
David Barrett? 24
Helen Barrett 3

Then that would mean in  1841 census the harriett age 19.. Is granddaughter of Charles and fanny... The little boy at the bottom Henry aged 1 is actually their great grandson by Harriett aged 19. Prior to her marriage to David Radbourne

According to a family tree on ancestry. (But  some other details on there are a little suspect)

Jeremiah barrett...married harriet ( maiden name unknown).
Had a daughter called Harriet Barrett in c.1833...
According to the tree owner..
On the 23rd of July 1853 at Wickham chapel
She married David Radbourne...and only 2 children are featured Henry 1851 and Mary 1856

Any ideas??

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Well done ,you're doing better than me.
So Jeremiah married 31.10.1831 at Welford and Wickam Mary Bitmead
They had two children bapotised in the parish
Harriet 14.4.1833 d of Jeremiah and Mary labourer of Bentham
Eliza 21.6.1835

Jeremiah is buried at Wickham 6.11.1835
Mary may have died 21.2.1841 buried at Welford of Benham Burslet
The girls are in Newbury Workhouse on the 1841 census age 7 and 5.

There is a marriage at Newbury Sep qtr 1853  Harriet Barrett and David Radbourne

1861 Deaqn Wood Speen Newbury
David Radbourne 30 shepherd Stockcross
Harriet 28 Welford
Hanery 9 ag lab Welford
Mark 7 Speen
Mary 5
Charlotte 3
Fanny 1

1871 adds Ellen age 9 ,Charley 7,Joseph 5,Fred 3,Annie 1 but no Henry (so that fits with him lodging with the Walters.)Tehy are at the same address.
1881 at Stockcross
David 50 ag lab,Harriet 48,Charley 17,Joseph 15,Frederick 13,Annie11 ,Eliza 9,Benjamin7,Francis and Edwin 5 .
1891 only Francis age 15 is at home.The same 1901.
Harriet 's death reg Mar qtr 1903 age 70 Newbury.

Ciderdrinker