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searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« on: Friday 06 May 22 08:21 BST (UK) »
Looking for any details (Birth/marriage/death/children) of a Bernard McCaull (or McCaul), father of Michael McCaull, schoolmaster at Kingstown, Co Dublin (b Abt 1794 Co Monaghan, d. 2.12.1839 Kingstown - now Dun Laoghaire)

A reference to Bernard McCaull can be found in the Trinity College alumni online, here:
https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/70795b624?locale=en
page 526
under McCaull, Michael, as being Michael's father, and described as being a "generosus"
https://www.wordsense.eu/generosus/
Unsure exactly what the title 'generosus' exactly refers to in this case, but on ancestry.com there appears to have been a J.P. in Carrickmacross, Co Monaghan, by the name of Bernard McCaul in the mid to late 1800s, possibly a descendant.

Bernard's son, Michael McCaull, was born Abt. 1794 in Monaghan, Co Monaghan, Ireland and served as the schoolmaster at Kingstown (Dun Laoghaire) from at least 1829 ("Saunders's News-Letter", Dublin, 16 March, 1829)
until at least 1836 (from an article in Saunders' Newsletter of 29/9/1836, Michael McCaul's "Infant School" was located in York St., Kingstown - Dun Laoghaire) possibly until his death in 1839.

Any help appreciated.

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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 May 22 09:57 BST (UK) »
Lengthy previous thread on this family https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857523
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 May 22 16:19 BST (UK) »
Many thanks, As I recall, we were not able to go back any further than Michael. It was encouraged to start a new thread in Monaghan on Bernard

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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 May 22 18:15 BST (UK) »
Are you 2 people in Australia and New Zealand?

Lengthy previous thread on this family https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857523

Definition/translation of "generosus" given by Wexflyer reply 8 on the other thread is gentleman.
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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 11 May 22 14:59 BST (UK) »
Are you 2 people in Australia and New Zealand?

Lengthy previous thread on this family https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=857523

Definition/translation of "generosus" given by Wexflyer reply 8 on the other thread is gentleman.

yes Down Under.

What exactly is a "gentleman" in the 18th century meaning of the word?

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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 May 22 17:33 BST (UK) »

What exactly is a "gentleman" in the 18th century meaning of the word?

Difficult to define "exactly" at that time.
Meaning changed over time. Historically it was a man entitled to bear arms but not noble.
By 18th century it included a man of good social position or of wealth or leisure. 
A gentleman didn't work for a living.
The term was elastic in the 19th century. 2 of my English ancestors, father & son were styled gentleman in 1830s. Father had retired from business. His income would have been derived from investments. His previous occupations were butcher and innkeeper.  His son stated his occupation was gentleman when he married in 1830. He was also presumably making an income from investments. He didn't remain a gentleman. He was a shopkeeper 10 years later. His brother became a gentleman after marrying a widow who owned property.
What date was the source? 
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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 17 May 22 05:40 BST (UK) »

What exactly is a "gentleman" in the 18th century meaning of the word?

What date was the source?

https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/70795b624?locale=en
page 526

Alumni Dublinenses: a register of the students, graduates, professors and provosts of Trinity College in the University of Dublin (1593-1860)


Alternative title
A register of the students, graduates, professors and provosts of Trinity College in the University of Dublin (1593-1860)
Shelf Mark/Reference Number
MSL-2-414 ; former shelfmark: IE TCD MS 378.415C F8
Location
Manuscripts & Archives Research Library, Trinity College Dublin
Creator
Burtchaell, George Dames, 1853-1921, Editor
Sadleir, Thomas Ulick, 1882-, Editor
Contributor
Trinity College (Dublin, Ireland), Associated Name
Alex. Thom & Co., Publisher
DOI
https://doi.org/10.48495/70795b624

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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 17 May 22 18:40 BST (UK) »

What exactly is a "gentleman" in the 18th century meaning of the word?

What date was the source?

https://digitalcollections.tcd.ie/concern/works/70795b624?locale=en
page 526

Alumni Dublinenses: a register of the students, graduates, professors and provosts of Trinity College in the University of Dublin (1593-1860)


Alternative title
A register of the students, graduates, professors and provosts of Trinity College in the University of Dublin


The date I wanted is 1815, when Michael was at Trinity College. Having looked at all other entries on the page, I think that Bernard was alive at the time. Fathers of some other students were noted as deceased. Status/occupation of around a fifth of fathers were "generosus". A couple of other fathers were farmers, some merchants, lawyers, an engineer.
Bernard must have been born by mid 1770's as Michael was born c.1794. Probability is that Bernard died before civil registration of deaths began in Ireland in 1864.
Have you looked for a will?
It was noted that Michael was R.C. There were generally fewer Catholic burial registers than baptism and marriage registers.
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Re: searching for Bernard McCaull, "generous" late 1700s-early 1800s
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 18 May 22 19:15 BST (UK) »



Have you looked for a will?

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where is the best place to look for a will? I checked FindMyPast without success