John Valente

[heywood]

On the 1939 Register is has ic standing for identy card could i get a copy of this of find out what infomation that was on it i believe it was used for food and call up if Giovanni was italian why would he be on a call as in 1939 he was too old like 60 odd loooking at what other info might be on it

The information on the card is what you see on the 1939 register.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

[Maiden Stone]

On the 1939 Register is has ic standing for identy card could i get a copy of this of find out what infomation that was on it i believe it was used for food and call up if Giovanni was italian why would he be on a call as in 1939 he was too old like 60 odd loooking at what other info might be on it

Everyone in Britain was issued with an identity card.
Explanation here. "The 1939 National Identity Card"
https://1911census.org.uk/1939
ID cards were abolished in 1952. A person's ID number was used as their NHS number when the National Health Service was set up after the war.
Everyone was issued with a ration book with coupons for food. Clothing coupons were also issued.

Italy was on the the side of Germany in WW2 and declared war on Britain in June 1940. Giovanni Valente would have been classified as an "enemy alien" from that date if he hadn't already become a British subject.
There were 3 categories of enemy aliens, depending on the risk they were considered to pose to Britain's security. Tribunals were set up to decide in which category a person should be placed. Many  "enemy aliens" were put in internment camps. There were camps in Manchester and Bury.

There are records of enemy aliens on Find My Past.
"Britain, Enemy Aliens & Internees, "First & Second World Wars"
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/britain-enemy-aliens-and-internees-first-and-second-world-wars
Read explanations in sections "Discover more about these records" and "Available record series".
It says under Second World War that in this series individual index cards record person's name, date & place of birth, nationality, address, occupation, employer's name & address. Some cards have more information on the reverse. However backs of cards in some series haven't been imaged as they may contain sensitive information.
A search for Valente surname found over 100 entries including 2 for the name Giovanni Valente, year of birth 1884.

"Internment of enemy aliens in 1940: The fate of Italians resident in Britain at war"
National Archives website. Men aged 16-70 who had lived in Britain for less than 20 years were considered for internment.

"Enemy Aliens & Internment in England 1939-1940"
https://judeninthemar.org/they-were-the-marens/internment/
This is mostly about Germans and Austrians but is useful because it explains in detail categories A,B & C and explains changes in treatment of enemy aliens during the war.   
 

[heywood]

Thanks Maiden Stone. That’s interesting to know.

[Maiden Stone]

With regard to the baptism records you will want to check, Manchester Catholic Records Index show the following indexes from Latin records for John and Annie Valente.
The different endings to the names is simply the case ending of the word. (I have to go back to learning Latin a long time ago  )

https://mlfhs.uk/databases/catholic-records

All at St Michael’s Ancoats

As Maiden Stone suggests, you will be able to search baptisms too when you visit the library.

There are really only the two baptisms - 1910 for John and 1911 for  Antony - both baptisms show that John Valente and Annie Taylor are the parents.

You don't have to concern yourself much with case endings of Latin words, Michael. I get them wrong sometimes, especially when trying to decipher old handwriting. Like heywood, I learned Latin when I was young, at church and school, and have recalled it for family history.

I think there's now a privacy closure period of 110 years for Catholic baptisms in England online. An early 20th century baptism register for the church where I was baptised has recently been added to FindMyPast. Baptisms of elder members of my family are on FindMyPast but not their younger siblings.   

[Michael Craig]

I ordered the dvd for st Michaels and 3 other church if anyone wants me to look up anything let me when it arrives

[heywood]

As Maiden Stone mentions,
‘ Men aged 16-70 who had lived in Britain for less than 20 years were considered for internment. ’
so presumably Giovanni/John  would not be considered.

It might be worth contacting the Italian Association as I wrote earlier.  Most members will now be 2nd and 3rd generation, I would think, but there may be records or knowledge of names, and birthplaces there.

I noticed lots of Italian graves in Moston cemetery when I attended a funeral two weeks ago -some of the names which we have noticed here and in a local parish as families moved out of the city centre over the years.

[Michael Craig]

Thank you Everyone for the help
I have contacted two sites on facebook and also getting help there too
 will visit the grave yard maybe tuesday to see if i can spot anything is there a area for italians

mke

[heywood]

The ones we saw were at the entrance but you could ask at the office. As it is a Catholic cemetery, there may not be a specific area.
If you have a date of death/burial, you might be able to get a search but in my experience, you have to be quite exact.

There are two Valente burials there in public graves
https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2208572/st.-joseph's-roman-catholic-churchyard

[Michael Craig]

i got the death certicate the lived at 2 annesley road moston died 13 july 1945 with margaret valente  as his widow