Mary Fortt (nee Fisk) brick wall... NEED Help!

[bbart]

Have you noticed the living nextdoor to Mary and William on the 1841 census are a Sophia Fisk age 25 and a Francis Fisk age 60 neither born in county.
Wondering if they are related. Struggling to find anything else on these two

I have seen the William and Sophia Fisk thing. Ruth Fisk nee Jame William Fortt's 2nd wife had a Niece named Sophia Fisk that attended her wedding. Since Sophia's last name is Fisk I assume she is biologically related to a brother of her first Husband Thomas Samuel Fisk born (ABT. 1791 • Orsett, Essex, England died by suicide in OCTOBER 1843 • Paglesham, Essex, England) that is an assumption though. I don't know if this is William Fisk is the same William that is her father or this is the same Sophia Fisk but my assumption is yes.

My other Assumption is Thomas Samuel Fisk is related somehow to to Mary Fortt nee Fisk

Sophia is still appearing in the 1841 census with William Fortt and wife Mary.  Ruth isn't in the picture yet.....

More digging required!

On a side note, the Francis Fisk in the '41 states he was a confectioner.
The Norfolk Chronicle 03 February 1827  has a blip about a Francis Fisk, confectioner, being bound over for two years to keep the peace with his wife Mary.

[Jason Jase]

Apparently, Mary's father was a Robert:

The Ipswich Journal 23 May 1846

13th inst, at Bath, aged 52 years, Mary, the beloved wife of Mr Fortt, and youngest daughter of the late Mr. Robert Risk, formerly of Badingham, farmer.

The date on the Findagrave entry mentioned in an earlier post would be the burial date.  Her son William is in the same grave.

The following may or may not be the same Robert:
Bury and Norwich Post 25 April 1827

On the 6th inst. at Framlingham, aged 74, Elizabeth, wife of Mr. Robert Fisk, formerly of Badingham, farmer.

I have looked at this and the "Badingham" location came up as a possible location of Mary.
I have the marriage cert / Contract between William Fortt bachelor and Mary Fisk spinster of st Micheal parish bath somerset and approved by a William Fisk. It is a rather strange document and hard to read old English legal language in cursive. I carefully looked through is and it doesn't state that William Fisk is Mary's father though. If Robert Fisk died before 1818 it would make sense to some degree. So dang maybe Robert is the father maybe William???
Where can I view the The Ipswich Journal 23 May 1846

[Jason Jase]

Sophia and William Fisk next door in 1841 must be related some how since they worked in the same profession as William Fortt.

the William Fisk 1752 Wrentham, Suffolk, England which I looking very promising doesn't have a record of having a daughter Mary. That doesn't mean This William isn't the father because Mary Fortt nee Fisk is born 3 years after William Fisk's 2nd son.

Robert Fisk I am trying to find something on him now with not much luck yet.

[Jason Jase]

this got confusing fast

Per the UK Fisk / Fiske web page Thomas Fisk's parents were Robert Fisk and Elizabeth Read yet on ancestry this couple has no record of having a child named Thomas or Mary

[bbart]

Death?

FISK, FRANCIS
Age        68 
Q1 1849
PLOMESGATE  Volume 12  Page 297

Bingo!
The Ipswich Journal 14 April 1849

30th ult, at Framlingham, in his 69th year, Francis, 3rd son of Mr. Robert Fisk, farmer, formerly of Badingham.

Many libraries offer free access to the British Newspaper Archive, as well as Findmypast or the original site https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/  by subscription.

As for the marriage licence:  As they are not doing banns, William Fortt and a William Fisk have to put up a substantial surety in the event they should not have been married, such as one is already married.  I would imagine a father could put up the surety, but I have never seen one do so. Can you imagine marrying your daughter off, finding the new husband is already married, and then having to pay a small fortune on top of it!?
The persons putting up the surety also had to be living a minimum of one month in same area.

As for being confused, don't try to rush the process!  Gather all the bits and pieces of possible relatives without making any assumptions, and sooner or later it all comes together. 

[Jason Jase]

Have you noticed the living nextdoor to Mary and William on the 1841 census are a Sophia Fisk age 25 and a Francis Fisk age 60 neither born in county.
Wondering if they are related. Struggling to find anything else on these two

On a side note, the Francis Fisk in the '41 states he was a confectioner.
The Norfolk Chronicle 03 February 1827  has a blip about a Francis Fisk, confectioner, being bound over for two years to keep the peace with his wife Mary.

Well Mary Fisk and William Fortt Were married in 1818 so it's not this Mary

Elizabeth Copping and Robert Fiske / Fisk of Badingham, Suffolk, England have a daughter Mary born 26 SEP 1799 • Dennington, Suffolk, England but also a daughter Maria born 25 JAN 1804 • Dennington, Suffolk, England (which may or may not indicate the first Mary Died???) either way it is three to Five year off the birth of the Mary Fortt nee Fisk I am looking for?

[Maiden Stone]

As for the marriage licence:  As they are not doing banns, William Fortt and a William Fisk have to put up a substantial surety in the event they should not have been married, such as one is already married.  I would imagine a father could put up the surety, but I have never seen one do so. Can you imagine marrying your daughter off, finding the new husband is already married, and then having to pay a small fortune on top of it!?
The persons putting up the surety also had to be living a minimum of one month in same area.

They didn't have to present the surety money, only promise to pay it if something was wrong.
Wasn't it usually the bridegroom who applied for a marriage licence? He would ask a relative or friend or a trustworthy person who knew him well to be his co-bondsman.
Jason, if you're having difficulty deciphering old writing or understanding meaning of a document you can ask for help on the handwriting board. 

[Jason Jase]

Well I still haven't cracked this. I have been wanting to solve this for over a year now

[Jason Jase]

so I was able to find and view that newspaper article mentioned

Printed 23 May 1846

it says Mary wife of William Fortt and Youngest Daughter of Robert Fisk formerly of Badingham, Farmer

so the Mary's father is Robert Fisk of Badingham now I have to find him and his date of birth plus his wife the Mother of Mary and Hopefuly a brother named Thomas Fisk(who was the Husband of William Fortt's 2nd wife Ruth James before he sadly committed suicide)