Mary Hill b abt 1813-1816 Penzance area

[jaywit]

Father deceased. Well it all depends what the vicar asked her and what she replied.

Remember that form of marriage certificate had only been in existence from July 1837 so not something the vicar had been filling in for many years.

You can imagine him asking the groom first 'What's your father's name and occupation' him answering and then saying to Mary 'and yours'   She did answer him truly but if he didn't ask her 'is he still alive' and she didn't volunteer the information then there are many cases where this happened.

I think at the moment you will have to accept she was the 1804 Mary but like I said earlier DNA may be the way forward.

[jonwarrn]

Image of the marriage is on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QW98-NH

You can whizz through and see if any fathers are given as deceased (a good few must have been). I didn't see any.
Better by far though than just seeing the word "Deceased" in the father's occupation column!

Residence for Mary, 2 Catherine Street
In 1841, Catherine Street, St Andrew, begins with John Hoar, 30, Publican, piece 270 book 5 folio 24 page 43
On page 45, Susanna Bartlett, a nurse at some kind of alms house? With a 10 year old of the same name, and a Mary Bartlett, 74, on the next page, one of the residents?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQTL-Z3X

Possibly of of no relevance. There was another Catherine Street in Stoke Damerel, but presumably it's this one Mary meant?

[jonwarrn]

She had three children after marrying a 21 yr old Robert Edwin Ford in 1840 in Devon:
William Henry 1842 - migrated to NZ in 1863, and later to Australia, date of death unknown.
Mary Jane 1844 - 1912
and Henrietta 1846 - who died as a child in 1852.

Is Edwin eliminated as a possible last one?
FORD, EDWIN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HILL 
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 09  Page 370

Burial of Edwin Ford, Infant, 21 Aug 1848, St Andrew
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QW9L-NS

Age 0 in death index.

[AusFamily]

She had three children after marrying a 21 yr old Robert Edwin Ford in 1840 in Devon:
William Henry 1842 - migrated to NZ in 1863, and later to Australia, date of death unknown.
Mary Jane 1844 - 1912
and Henrietta 1846 - who died as a child in 1852.

Is Edwin eliminated as a possible last one?
FORD, EDWIN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HILL 
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 09  Page 370

Burial of Edwin Ford, Infant, 21 Aug 1848, St Andrew
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QW9L-NS

Age 0 in death index.

Thankyou for finding that one. I was unaware of it. I would say a very high chance of being the correct family - thanks again

[AusFamily]

FORD, EDWIN       
Mother's Maiden Surname: HILL 
GRO Reference: 1847  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 09  Page 370

May I ask pls where you found this with mother surname HILL, please?

[jonwarrn]

Hi
On the GRO website. You just need to register, and then you can search their new birth and death indexes for free. You don't need to order anything.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Maiden surnames of mothers are given back to 1837.

There was another Ford-Hill couple in Plymouth, Thomas and Mary. There last certain child seems to be Nathaniel in 1843. Mary was 52 in 1851, so would have been about 48 when Edwin was born, so possibly they are less likely to be his parents.

[AusFamily]

Hi
On the GRO website. You just need to register, and then you can search their new birth and death indexes for free. You don't need to order anything.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Maiden surnames of mothers are given back to 1837.

There was another Ford-Hill couple in Plymouth, Thomas and Mary. There last certain child seems to be Nathaniel in 1843. Mary was 52 in 1851, so would have been about 48 when Edwin was born, so possibly they are less likely to be his parents.

Thanks for that JonW

[NZfamily]

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[AusFamily]

I found the baptisms of the girls easy but the boys not so.

At the moment I can find Nicholas 9/11/1794 BUT he is buried 4/11/1795
so when I have more time I'll have another look.

How can we be certain that this Nicholas' death was an infant death (see below)? It may have been Nicholas Hill's father or another relative? Only the FindMyPast transcripts are available and they didn't indicate an infant death, and ancestry.com didn't seem to have anything of interest either. Originals are locked away with Cornwall family history society I imagine. familysearch.org doesn't seem to have anything either.

I have found the following HILL births using FindMyPast with father Nicholas & mother Alice (all bap. St Just in Penwith except Thomas):

Nicholas Hill
1794–

Thomas Hill (bap. Sancreed)
1798–

Alice Hill
1800–

John Hill
1801–

Elizabeth Hill
1802–

Mary Hill (mother's named spelt "Allis" on transcript)
1804–

Lucy Hill
1806–

Ralph Hill
1810–

Just to reiterate, father Nicholas' will mentions seven living children in his will in 1810.
His burial record for 1810 is here: https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=902149

Son Nicholas is mentioned in the will towards the end of the page, so he must have survived past 1795.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-65MS-S4F?i=2898&cat=329778