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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 21 April 22 03:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Dianna,

Until 1 March 1856, there was NO requirement by the civil authorities for baptism, burial or marriage records to actual record the NAMES of the people involved.   Also the civil authorities did NOT impose any compulsory requirements as to the church authorities KEEPING their own records.   So any denomination and any other faith (Sydney Town was not just for Church folk, there were Muslims, Pagans, Jews, and other faiths, and even those 'without'...  :D

The NSW BDM Early Church Records (those with "V" as part of their reference number) have NEVER EVER promoted themselves as being the complete set of bdms for that pre civil registration era.   

We also need to accept that there are flaws in the NSW BDM online index and that it has been mis-understood by some of the commercial websites who have attempted to merge various versions of puterised datasets across the different NSW sets of records and added the datasets from each of the other British Colonies that became one colony - Australia - in 1901. 

The person responsible for seeing that the £100 set aside from Michael's probate for his own entombment - ummm -  Catholic burial ground -  well it may have been Devonshire Street, but you could double check by approaching St Marys Cathedral ARCHIVIST who may need some time to check if there could be a vault in or about St Marys itself.    Likely you may need to help fund that depth of research.     I am sure that the archivist would need copy of the probate record and the likely date -month and year or at least year- for Michael's death.

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 21 April 22 03:03 BST (UK) »
Permission to marry at Liverpool?? Incorrect!! Catherine Dunn

Many thanks,  so there's likely at least TWO lasses named Catherine DUNN in that same year, marrying in NSW.  Well sorted.

ADD, that actually helps your quest for Michael BYRNE ... so their marriage was NOT involving either party under any kind of bond.   :)

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21 April 22 03:13 BST (UK) »
 I just noticed the connection. Michael Byrne convict on the Minerva 1800 - same ship as his best man at the wedding, Farrell Cuff.
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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21 April 22 03:20 BST (UK) »
HI Neale Thanks yes I follow Farrell Cuffe as well as my Michael as they seem to have been at least associates (perhaps friends).  They were on the Minerva together and the ship "Lively" (Captain Dobson) as well.  Horrible experience there apparently.

Farrel was a teacher.  I suspect he may have even taught Michaels son William (perhaps)

Also they were involved (suspected??) of the attempted uprising in 1800 Toongabbie, both sent to Norfolk Island.  Hope to compile all of this one day.  Just keep collecting documents so far LOL.

That is why I'm always so happy to receive a snippet of information on him.

It does make me sad though when I cannot find him buried anywhere?? (not so far anyway) would love to visit him.  Many thanks for your input as usual.  Dianna


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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21 April 22 06:29 BST (UK) »
Currently my husband and I are driving various several very ancient (all born NSW more than 100 years ago) but living family members back to their own homes after a huge family gathering at our own home over the Easter break.

We are having a 'pit stop'... on the New England Highway, heading to Tamworth for sleep over this evening then pushing on further !

So, while the others are all queueing up,  I have opened my laptop, and I share:  (regarding where to find graves etc in Sydney Town ... when it was a penal colony. )

https://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/history/old-sydney-burial-ground 

There's excel spreadsheet  :D and a word document citing sources.


https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW112563753
Michael Byrne Date of death [not known], Granted on 7 August 1827  - so Michael died earlier than August 1827, and from Dianna's post re that grant, he was a widower ... so Catherine DUNN died before him.

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21 April 22 06:40 BST (UK) »
Hi JM Thanks for that.  Now looking a bit more into MARY DUNN funny, it seems the convict that was assigned to her in 1823 is a JOHN DUNN!!! coincidence??

Yes it seems that Catherine died c 1826 (ish) have not located her on the 1825?? muster.

Fun!  Hope you and the elderly rellies get there safely.  We can speak more when you have time much appreciated.  I will check the data base for Mary DUNN on the Devonshire St. Cemetery data base. 

Wonder if this JOHN DUNN per Shipley (2) is her son!  There is a JOHN SMITH per Shipley but his assignments etc don't match up!  Will press on.  LOL Thanks for taking the time.  Dianna

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 21 April 22 06:43 BST (UK) »

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW112563753
Michael Byrne Date of death [not known], Granted on 7 August 1827  - so Michael died earlier than August 1827, and from Dianna's post re that grant, he was a widower ... so Catherine DUNN died before him.

I just received this probate package two day's ago.  Still have to do a bit of enhancing on it and print it all out.  D

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 21 April 22 06:55 BST (UK) »
Is this the right man ?
His son William  asks for claims on his estate.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2189092

Sue

Sounds like a fantastic weekend JM. You are very lucky to be able to draw on their firsthand experiences.
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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 21 April 22 07:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Sue Yes that is the son William in the newspaper.  Ended up there were  7 properties in Sydney around King and Pitt streets.  Every time I go into the city I look at that corner and think of what it would be worth now and how incredibly it has changed. 

Some more properties in Bargo too.  Still chasing up on those.  Fun!! Dianna