CATHERINE DUNN

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Catherine DUNN marriage

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Catherine and Michael

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Catherine DUNN (Byrne)

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Thomas Challenor, son of William Challenor of Pitt Street, and Barbara Thompson; [NSW AUS]; Baptised: 5 Jun 1823, Baptised at Sydney [NSW AUS]; Registered at St Mary's Roman Catholic, Sydney, [NSW AUS]; Sponsor Michael Byrne, Original Remarks: Sponsor: Catherine Byrne: Sponsor: William Rowen: Sponsor: Catherine Evans [Biog Item No. 320210395]

Hi Everyone
 I am doing research on the above who was married to my MICHAEL BYRNE of Sydney in 1822.  I had been trying to find information on her for a long time as I could not find her under BYRNE or variants on the 1822 Muster. 
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1823 5 June Michael and Catherine (Dunn) BYRNE witness/sponsors at the baptism of twins William and Thomas CHALLENOR, Pitt St Sydney.
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The BDA database has some info which I can confirm is similar to the info I gathered while researching back in the late 1970s.   

My trusty notebook for that era is on loan, but my cousin has phoned me just now to confirm it has (I have read it back with careful regard to spelling etc) :
a baptism  (not two babies, just one) 
Thomas, a son for William CHALLENOR of Pitt Street and Barbara THOMPSON, baptised Sydney Town, and recorded in St Marys RC registers, with FOUR sponsors : Michael BYRNE,  Catherine BYRNE, William ROWEN, Catherine EVANS.    Date of baptism  5 June 1823. 

Note, this baptism ceremony seems to have occurred in Sydney Town.    There was a small chapel constructed for R.C. ceremonies from private funding, including from the rank and file of the 48th Regiment of Foot whose tour of duty as garrison forces in NSW and VDL concluded 1824, but some were being sent to India in 1821...   Some of the 48th took their discharge in NSW,  and MANY in the 48th were Roman Catholic.  - See the late Clem Sargent's definitive book - The Colonial Garrison, 1817-1824: The 48th Foot, the Northamptonshire Regiment in the Colony of New South Wales   

Re the small chapel - see the NSW State Library and NSW State Parliament archives.  Also a short paragraph here:  https://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/archive/discover_collections/history_nation/religion/catholics/cathedral/index.html

JM

[majm]

why did they marry so quickly?   - Well, umm .... there was a lack of eligible females and a huge over supply of eligible males.    Perhaps the ratio was 6 eligible males for 1 eligible female. 

So basically, a female of marriageable age, who CAME FREE could line them up and make her selection.    If the male was under any form of bond (i.e. a convict or otherwise assigned to a Master), HE could not marry WITHOUT permission of the NSW Governor.   So, it seems to me that applying in early May and marrying in mid June would be pointing to the couple,  Michael BYRNE and Catherine DUNN.

JM

[Neale1961]

Mary Dunn, age 60 in 1828 census, does not appear in the 1841 census, so she probably died in the 1830s.
A couple of possible burials recorded on NSW BMD.

[majm]

Yes,  but the 1841 NSW census is NOT ALL THERE.   Particularly a great deal of what is the current Sydney CBD is lost for ever (a fire, Botanic Gardens, which took out much of the vast admin records from the penal era, I have written about that at RChat too).     It is better to look for a burial at Devonshire Street, and for a transfer circa 1901.  BDA can assist there too.

JM

[haney]

Hi JM
  You maybe the correct person to ask this question to.  What are the possible reason's that there is NO burial record for EITHER Michael BYRNE (c August 1827) AND Catherine DUNN/BYRNE!  Having said that I will delve more into MARY Dunn, possibly buried together!

I have just received Michaels probate record and it states:- ' sum of 100 pounds excepting only a portion to be set aside for the purpose already specified and it is my intention and request that the remains of my late wife be removed from its present place to the Catholic burial ground and entombed with my own in a vault which is to be constructed of 12 feet long and 6 feet in breadth as a family repository hereafter." 

So looking at this it seems that Michaels wife (CATHERINE???) was buried ?? Where then moved to can I assume Devonshire St!  No re internment

Moving forward now thanks to your information I will look for CATHERINE DUNN in the other couple of musters she may appear on.  Regards Dianna

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Permission to marry at Liverpool?? Incorrect!! Catherine Dunn