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CATHERINE DUNN
« on: Wednesday 20 April 22 23:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone
 I am doing research on the above who was married to my MICHAEL BYRNE of Sydney in 1822.  I had been trying to find information on her for a long time as I could not find her under BYRNE or variants on the 1822 Muster. 

WELL this morning I found her listed under DUNN even though she was married to Michael ON THE 1822 Muster.  She came free (date??) on the BRITOMART (age??)

1822???  BRITOMART ARRIVES ??? (WITH IMMIGRANTS??)

1822 Michael BYRNE and Miss Catherine DUNN married 20 June 1822  St. Mary’s.  Mary DUNN and James DEMPSEY witness's

1822 Muster 22 September Michael BURNE FBS Minerva 7 years Maltster Sydney

1822 Land and Stock Muster Michael Byrne of Sydney, 700 bushels wheat, 300 bushels maize held, 46 horned cattle, 23 hogs

1823 5 June Michael and Catherine (Dunn) BYRNE witness/sponsors at the baptism of twins William and Thomas CHALLENOR, Pitt St Sydney.

1823 November 5 Memorial states he had a family to provide for!!!{ ie one son William! born 1806  and wife Catherine}

Now I'm hoping to find some information on her arrival/place of origin anything in general really. 

She seems to have married him either soon after her arrival (OR perhaps it was arranged!!) OR she could have stayed at his accommodation in Pitts Street Sydney.  Any information on Catherin DUNN would be appreciated to add to Michaels timeline.  Kindest regards Dianna

 


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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:00 BST (UK) »
Mary Dunn may well be Catherine’s mother …… she is a "land holder" in the 1822 muster

Colonial Secretary's Papers, 1788-1825
Mary Dunn (free per Britomart 1822) of Cockle Bay is on a persons receiving an assigned convict; 30/09/1823

In 1824 she is Mary Dunn of Kent Street (persons receiving an assigned convict)
In 1822 she is Mary Dunn of Cobarty. (persons receiving an assigned convict)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:14 BST (UK) »
This lists Mrs Dunn and Miss Dunn on Brigomart
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2180875?searchTerm=Dunn%20AND%20britomart

Britomart a 242 ton brig/sloop when commissioned into the Royal Navy when launched at Deptford, Kent in 1808, and as a barque when it was privately owned from 1819. It was a two deck ship, copper sheathed, and was able to carry armaments to defend itself in time of war, or from piracy at any time
Britomart’s first voyage to Australia was in 1822 – it arrived Hobart February 4th, Captain Daniel Peach, having departed Deal, England September 9th 1821, via Cape of Good Hope. It carried passengers and general merchandise. It departed Hobart for Port Jackson, Feb.26, later sailing for Valparaiso, Chile, returning later to Port Jackson.

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Tasmanian records have a Mrs Dunn & Miss Dunn departing from Hobart to Port Jackson on Britomart 26 Feb 1822.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:17 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

Back in 1810, the incoming governor (Lachlan Macquarie) overhauled the penal colony's admin system and basically - perhaps following his own Scottish tradition - the recording of the names of females from at least 1810 until perhaps the end of the penal period (around 1840), meant that on official records whatever the SURNAME the female arrived with, STUCK with them, regardless of how many times they married/co-habited/had children by various domestic partners.    The women tended to use their husband's surnames for everyday matters, but the Admin bods tended to keep the surname the womenfolk were recorded on arrival.    Consequentally for example,  at least three of my (g x ?) grandmothers/great-aunts  are on the 1828 census under their childhood surnames (one under their unmarried mum's birth surname), despite growing up in Sydney Town, marrying in Sydney Town, and having babies - in Sydney Town !  and ... wait for it .... still living with their 'lawful' husbands in Sydney Town - all before the 1828 census was announced.     

The Britomart is listed at the Colonial Secretary Index at the following link : https://colsec.records.nsw.gov.au/  and
Daniel PEACHE was the Master of the vessel at that time, and he is also listed there.
A lass named Catherine DUNN is also listed there, she is seeking permission to marry at Liverpool, May 3, 6 of 1822.  Reel 6009 etc....

My offline resources give me further information about the marriage you mention.  She was NOT married at St Mary's.    The clergy who conducted the ceremony at Liverpool has obeyed the church requirements and the civil requirements and the information has been received by the Roman Catholic authorities and is recorded in the Diocese records held at St Marys Cathedral.   Roman Catholic ceremonies were not formally recognised by the civil admin system until around 1825, so it is fortunate that the details of the 1822 ceremony were transmitted through and that there is an extant record.

Here is some information from my notes re the likely marriage you are writing about. (I have a research interest in NSW marriages in those early years).
 
NOTICE there's a lack of a clergy name,  and that there's NO signatures (not even X mark), no occupations, no abodes, no ship of arrival, no ages, no parents names ...etc.

20 June 1822
Michael BYRNE and Catherine DUNN
Witnesses (THREE)  :  Farell CUFF,  James DEMPSEY,  Mary DUNN.

Likely you will also find the marriage listed at the on-going project,  Biographical Database of Australia.  There is a nominal annual subscription fee for that website : https://www.bda-online.org.au/

who was Mary DUNN?

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:45 BST (UK) »
The 1828 census has a Mary Dunn age 60, Catholic, came free in 1822,  living in Sussex Street.
Only issue is her ship is recorded as "Britannia" – an error? I can't find "Britannia" arriving 1822.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:49 BST (UK) »
The 1828 census has a Mary Dunn age 60, Catholic, came free in 1822,  living in Sussex Street.
Only issue is her ship is recorded as Brittania – an error?

Yes, could well be a typo, or a mis-heard response recorded by an admin bod born in a different part of the UK so not familiar with that Mary DUNN's accent.

Have you checked the 1828 set of records that are the focus of the following thread?  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810812.0 

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 April 22 01:50 BST (UK) »
Mary DUNN has quite a number of entries INDEXED at the BDA,  so too Farrell CUFF (various spellings) and James DEMPSEY.

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 April 22 02:06 BST (UK) »
Farrell Cuff – an unusual name.  He was an Irish political prisoner who came on Minerva 1800. He was a school master, born in County Offaly.
He was sent to Norfolk Island after the 1800 conspiracies, back in Sydney by 1806 and worked as a clerk. He had returned to teaching by 1814.
1809 Dec 23: Farrell Cuffe - on list of all grants and leases of town allotments registered in the Colonial Secretary’s Office
1822 Nov 14: Of Pitt Street. On list of persons receiving an assigned convict
1825 May 6: On list of persons who have received orders for grants of land
1845 Died aged 73.

James Dempsey – another Irish convict
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Dempsey_(builder)

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: CATHERINE DUNN
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 April 22 02:14 BST (UK) »
Hi to you all!

This is fantastic really.  I am reading through everything now.  Woo hoo!  Re their marriage it say's abode Sydney BUT for the place of marriage nothing!!  I realise that St. Mary's wasn't really functioning as a church until the early 1830's from memory.

I just imagined that they were possibly married in Sydney BUT at one of the two?? houses that were used for worship then.  One was James Dempsey's home and other was William Davis.  Williams house became St. Patricks Church in Sydney.  Well his land did anyway.  I will post if I can the bits I found from SAG re the marriage register.

Will double check BDA I could not see any Catherine DUNN arriving on the BRITOMART, will check on MARY DUNN now

Catherine married him very smartly.  Wonder how that happened.  Thanks so much looking forward to finding more. Regards Dianna