verlings of cork

[cathieee]

hi there, i m getting myself all mixed up and i dont want to be wasting my time going down the wrong line, like i ve done so many times before so i thought i d ask on here, fresh eyes etc

i ll start from fact, my great x 2 nan mary verling was born in 1836 in cobh to parents william verling and abigail keefe, i have her birth cert and marriage cert with her fathers name on, saying he s a waterman by trade, they were catholic, stephen pilcher her husband changed to be a catholic before they married, he was from kent and in the navy

for one i m unsure what waterman actually means, does it just mean fisherman or something else, they married in 1858, in uk it would say fisherman if that was the case, but not sure about ireland ?

i cant find actual proof who william verlings parents where but i put them in as john verling and mary hogan, they where from castlelyons, but all williams records are from cobh, i do have a death in 1885 cork says he was 86 so born about 1799, but it does nt say what part of cork on it ?

now i have had my DNA done and i ve been given a match that says 4 th cousin with a margaret kent and ancestry says the link is from john verling the man i have as father to my william and ellen verling, who i did nt even have in my tree as a sister to my william, so i looked her up and she does exist but can only find a marriage cert in 1831 castlelyons but to a james kent, they had a lot of sons who were involved in Sinn Féin 2 of the sons died one was exectuted, so theres a lot of interesting history about this family and a lot of documents etc uploaded on ancestry, but i am no DNA match to any of the people who ve linked themselves to it and this margaret kent only has s people in her tree and has nt been on for a year so not much chance of getting in contact with her, we do have a shared match but again they only have a handful of members in her tree too, so for one i dont understand how ancestry can say we re related through john and ellen verling when both these people basically have no trees ?

i have put all this branch in my tree because they do fit but dont understand why i have no connection to all the other people who have them in their tree ??, i ll leave it there for now as i m terrible for going off point and confusing myself and everybody else, thanks for reading

[cathieee]

i should say margaret kent is the lady i have a DNA link with, 4 th cousin and ellen verling one of the links we have married james kent, but she only has a tree with 3 people in it

[dathai]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterman_(occupation)

Patrick Verling and Catherine Enright marriage 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1864/11614/8275352.pdf

Catherine possibly died 1870 age 31

Patrick a widower married Ellen Mahoney 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11233/8118489.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Queenstown_Rural_No__2/Newtown_Village/1138630/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Queenstown/Ringmeen_Rural/405479/

[dathai]

note on Patrick's second marriage 1874 his father is noted as deceased

the William who died in 1885 was a gardiner from Carrignafoy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06292/4803335.pdf

[Sinann]

A Waterman ferried passengers to and from larger vessels, just google Waterman.

We don't name living people on RootsChat.

If I've followed your post correctly...a few points,

The other people who link into MK's tree, are you sure they have done DNA tests, if they have the match may be at a very low level so you could try searching for them by name making sure you are searching all matches.

You need to check the info on other people's trees to ensure they haven't made an error.

It looks like you need to prove the connection of Ellen and William as siblings.
Don't just rely on searching the big providers, look through the records yourself, transcription errors could mean missing out on a record.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0028

dathai has been posting records while I was typing and reading, I haven't looked at them yet so may have missed out on some info that would have changed my response.

[cathieee]

hi thanks for all the answers, i do have patrick verling marrying catherine enright then ellen mahony, but i d not noticed that william was deceaced on the record, so that narrows it down for me , i ve been searching for a death cert between the birth of his last child in 1847 and the marriage of his son patrick in 1873 but i cant find one , neither can i find a death for his wife abigail, abby, abbsy etc either
i have been on the website coastguards of yesterday, i ve put up pictures and info on father and son both stephen pilcher on it, i ve even been contacted through the site by a man who s writing a book about irish coastguards asking if he could use the photographs of them for it
the information about the son s of james kent on ancestry is not from the lady margaret kent that i have a DNA link to ( 4 th cousin ) she literally only has a tree with 3 people in it on ancestry, this is the bit i m most confused about, the fact that ancestry is telling me my link with this margaret is through john verling and ellen verling, usually it only says common ancester and the name of them if the person is in both trees, i did nt even have ellen in my tree untill i put her in as a sister to my william, thats when i started getting hints for her marriage to james kent in 1831, her sons and the stuff with sinn fein etc, it seems too much of a coincidence for ellens connection to the kents and this lady also having the surname kent ??
so the information was on someone s entirely different tree, but i dont have a DNA connection to him or any of the other people linking themselves to his uploads, i have messaged him and i can see that he s read it but he s not reolied lol, typical, boo, i get very impatient
one other last thing is, the verlings from what i can see from castlelyons seem to be farmers, yet my verling from william who s birth i can not find are all cobh and all naval, mariners of some sort etc, does it seem plausable that my william came from that line to become a sea faring man which i know he was ??
also thanks for the RNLI stuff someone posted stephen pilcher the younger is on the list but not the elder, which is odd because the father stephen pilcher was chief coastguard at helvichead for 13 years, he died in 1898, i m not sure if he had retired by then, but theres no mention of him, yet i have quite a few newspaper cutting about him, he was also given a cerimonial swored for bravery

i ll leave it there for now, i have read peoples answers but as i m writing i cant see them so i may have left things out that i meant to inclued lol, thanks for now

[cathieee]

one last thing, i most definately do not go by other peoples trees, i literally spend hours at a time going through all the original records myself when available, i ve been through virtually the whole book of births from castlelyons and cobh looking for possible errors etc, just saying, but sometimes you can find things you ve missed by going on other peoples tree s, the annoying thing is you cant see what their connection to the person you are looking for is, i have inlaws in my tree, i know they dont really need to be their but sometimes you can gain clues from them, i had a lady contact me asking what my connection was with her greatgrandmother who was in my tree, she was only an inlaw of one of my great x 2 aunts, but i got talking to her and she said she was having trouble finding stuff of the husband from ireland, well to cut a long story short i managed to find the wedding cert of her greatgrandparents that she had been looking for for 20 years, i love it when that happens