Birth record for Jane Williams, llanrhychwyn

[Forestelf]

Hello,

My great-grandmother, Jane Williams was born in Llanrychwyn (2 census returns list it as Llanbeblig or Capel Curig).   

According to my mother she was the child of Richard Williams (1849-1919) and his first wife but I can find no record of Richard being married prior to his marriage to Anne Roberts. 

Possibly Jane was illegitimate. There is no record of her living with her father until 1891 when she was 15.  Prior to this, the only plausible record is for a Jane Williams living with her Aunt Elin in Llanberis in 1881.

I am looking for her birth record or possibly a 1st marriage record for Richard that could give Jane's mother's name.

Any help gratefully received as I have hit a brick wall.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

An alternative suggestion from 1881 - Tyddyn Wilim, LLanrhychwyn ?

Charles Jones    62
Hanah Jones    37
Evan Jones    27
Edwart Jones    15
Mary Jones    12
Jane or June Williams    5 - granddaughter
Catherine Williams    2 - granddaughter

RG11; 5536; 95;  5;

[DCB]

Another possibility is Jane Roberts, the illegitimate daughter of Anne Roberts, baptised in Llanrwst on 9th Jun 1874.

Jane isn't with Richard and Ann in 1881, only son, William, so possibly with her aunt?

David

[trish1120]

Or;
JANE Williams bapt 07 Jan 1877, St Gwynhoydl, Llangwnnadl
Parents RICHARD/ANN
Father a Farmer and Smith
Abode Glanrafon

When did Richard/Ann marry.
I can see a 13 Aug 1866 with Richards Father a William.

Or am I looking at the wrong person

This is the 1881 for the family I found;
Richard Williams 44 Smithy (Black)
Ann Williams   31
William Williams   13
Ann Williams   9
David Williams   7
JANE Williams   4
Evan Williams   
Catherine Williams 46
John Parry   20
Laura Roberts   42
John Roberts   12

[DCB]

I think this is the family:-

1881 - Blaen nant, Llanrychwyn
Richart Williams Head 32 1849 Farmer of 1500 acres Llanberis, Caernarvonshire
Ann Williams Wife 31 1850 Farmers wife Denbighshire
William Williams Son 1 1880 - Llanrhychwyn, Caernarvonshire
Catherine Williams Mother Widow 74 1807 Retired farm(?) widow Llanberis, Caernarvonshire
Griffith Jones Servant Widower Male 55 1826 Farm serv (indoor) Denbighshire, Wales
Alice Williams Servant Single 17 1864 Farm daur Denbighshire

1891 -Blaen Nant, Llanrhychwyn, Llanrwst
Richard Williams Head 41 1850 Farmer - Llanwnda, Caernarvonshire
Anne Williams Wife 41 1850 - Gwytherin, Denbighshire
Jane Williams Daughter 15 1876 - Llanrhychwyn, Caernarvonshire
William Williams Son - 10 1881 - Llanrhychwyn, Caernarvonshire
Robert Henry Williams Son - Male 7 1884 - Llanrhychwyn, Caernarvonshire

David

P.S. The baptism for Jane Roberts in 1874 has her abode as Watling Street, Llanrwst.
There is a Jane E Roberts, b 1875, boarding in Back Watling Street in 1881, with an Elizabeth Evans.

[Forestelf]

Or;
JANE Williams bapt 07 Jan 1877, St Gwynhoydl, Llangwnnadl
Parents RICHARD/ANN
Father a Farmer and Smith
Abode Glanrafon

When did Richard/Ann marry.
I can see a 13 Aug 1866 with Richards Father a William.

Or am I looking at the wrong person

This is the 1881 for the family I found;
Richard Williams 44 Smithy (Black)
Ann Williams   31
William Williams   13
Ann Williams   9
David Williams   7
JANE Williams   4
Evan Williams   
Catherine Williams 46
John Parry   20
Laura Roberts   42
John Roberts   12

Hi Trish, thank you the suggestions but it is the wrong family.

Richard Williams married Anne Roberts on the 06/01/1879 in Llanwrst.  They had 6 boys together.

William Williams
Robert Henry Williams
Arthur Williams
Richard Lloyd Williams
Jesse Williams

The family lived at Blaen Nant Farm. Richard was still single in 1871 so a first marriage (if it exists) would be between 1871 and 1876 when Jane was born.

[Forestelf]

Thanks DCB.  Blaen Nant was in the family for several generations.  I will look into the baptism record you have suggested.

To the best of my knowledge Jane didn't have any 'full' siblings.

The 1881 - Tyddyn Wilim, LLanrhychwyn doesn't seem to fit (although I looked at it before because in 1871 a servant girl called Catherine Jones was living with the family and she and Richard were a similar age.) because in 1891 Jane is still living with the family at Tyddyn Willim.

[trish1120]

Thanks for that info. I thought I might be on the wrong track