New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line

[Rossdal3]

Thanks for that newspaper clip.  I have his imprisonment court documentation and the fact that he was in partnership with Jonas substantiates this is the correct William.  This has forced me back to William 1819’s timeline, which is interesting.  The imprisonment accounts for why he married Mary Gill in September 1842, as he would only just be out of prison by then. It may have been the family shame that meant they married in Otley and then went to live in Bradford (1851 census).

The timeline then gets interesting again, because although William and Mary go on to have 5 children that I have records for, the first child Charles Henry was not born until 1849, a good 6.5 years after they got married.  It could be that he got himself into more trouble with the law perhaps.  I’m thinking they were a very dodgy family 🤣

[amondg]

Who is the William Gill Holdsworth buried in Otley 30 December 1844 age 25?

DOB circa 1819
GRO has age 24

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The marriages of the children, all say father Charles Holdsworth - Farmer
Ann to Robinson Halliday 1845
Mary to John Ibbotson 1843
Harriet to James Smith 1856
Charles to Martha Elizabeth Garth 1853
William to Mary Gill 1842 

[Rossdal3]

Who is the William Gill Holdsworth buried in Otley 30 December 1844 age 25?

DOB circa 1819
GRO has age 24

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The marriages of the children, all say father Charles Holdsworth - Farmer
Ann to Robinson Halliday 1845
Mary to John Ibbotson 1843
Harriet to James Smith 1856
Charles to Martha Elizabeth Garth 1853
William to Mary Gill 1842

My sister and I built out a tree for William Gill Holdsworth from Otley, as he made far more sense.  We think there must be some connection, but haven’t been able to prove it.

This William b.1820 d.1844, is the son of William Holdsworth b. 1785, who also married a Mary Gill b. 1787. Our William Holdsworth b. 1819 still appears on the census documents with his family through to 1871, the year he died. 

I accept that William 1819 and his siblings all name Charles as their Father on their marriage certs.  I also have a half great uncle who named his Grandfather as his Father on his marriage certificate.  Both he and my Gt Grandmother were illegitimate, born 10 years apart and he was raised by his Grandfather.  Either he named him to spare the stigma, or he legitimately thought his Grandfather was his Father.  Even in this day and age this stuff happens. I have a friend who grew up thinking that her biological Mum was her older sister. She was an adult when she found out the truth.

I guess we’ll be speculating on this for a long time.  One thing we do have certainty of, is that we all 3 sisters have multiple DNA matches on Ancestry, to the sisters of Mary Gill (Hannah and Martha), who married William Holdsworth 1819. We can follow the paper trail all the way through.  We have absolutely no matches to the Holdsworth side at all.  If Charles was our Biological 4th Grandfather then I’m guessing that he had changed his name at some point.

Yesterday I found a criminal record for Charles 1835, son of Charles 1801. He was charged for physically assaulting his wife and it looked like he had knocked out a front tooth and bloodied her face.  The more I find out the more I think that these were not good people 🤷‍♀️