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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 April 22 07:11 BST (UK) »
Morning Jill!
Still chasing the Holdsworths then.
So for the benefit of new readers here is what we are looking at.
Piece HO 107/1298/7 ED11 Folios 32 - 36 Enumerator William Johnson
Simpson Green    Idle
        HOLDSWORTH    Charles    40    Farmer    
     HOLDSWORTH    William    20    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Thomas    20    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Mary    18    Wool Comber    
     HOLDSWORTH    Ann            15         
     HOLDSWORTH    Maria    10         
     HOLDSWORTH    Charles    6         
     HOLDSWORTH    Harriet    5         
     HOLDSWORTH    Susannah    3         
     HOLDSWORTH    Jonas    45    Cart Driver    
 Brian

Thanks for the recap Brian! Yes still trying to work out who we are.  We still have nothing on our Holdsworth side and since it’s my maiden name, I find it frustrating.  I’ve given up on Charles a few times, but he keeps drawing me back in 🤣.

He’s in the Poll books for 1835, in Simpson Green
He appears in Idle in 1841 census
There’s a newspaper clip about a stolen horse in the newspaper in 1841
He gets married the second time in Otley in 1833

That’s it! I’m beginning to think that he may have changed his name at some stage.

Myself and my 2 sisters have loaded our DNA into every site and we have found nothing proving a genetic link to either Charles 1801 or William 1819.
Holdsworth
Gill
Stead
Pawson
Holmes
Craven
Gaunt
Austin
Wells/Coultas
Hardisty
Grange
Wedgeworth/Knox
From: Bradford, Pudsey, Idle, Calverley & Norfolk

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #10 on: Friday 15 April 22 07:37 BST (UK) »
So your William had a different mother than Charles, Harriet and Susannah.

Is Maria perhaps the daughter of Jonas
bap 27 July 1831 of Jonas and Hannah at Bradford

Hi again,

We are pretty sure that William 1801 had a different Mother.  The youngest sibling Maria was born in 1831 and many years ago my cousin found a death listing in the Calverley.info website for a Mary Holdsworth who died in 1832. I haven’t been able to find that listing again since the website was updated quite a few years ago now. The fact that Charles remarried in 1833 possible supports that being his first wife.

Eldest sister Mary 1822 married John Ibbotson and Jonas Holdsworth age 66 is living with them on the
1861 census and is listed as ‘Uncle”.
On the 1851 census Mary and John Ibbotson are listed with Harriet and Susannah, they have the surname Ibbotson, but I think they are probably the Harriet and Susannah listed in the 1841 census with the Holdsworth surname. Interestingly Harriet is listed as a 16 year old son whose occupation is a Delver 🤷‍♀️. Charles their brother born 1835 is visiting a friend in Scarborough on the 1851 census. So I think that it’s fair to say that Charles 1801 had died before then, but my cousin bought every death certificate over the year between 1841-1851 and we got nothing close at all.  It makes me wonder whether he had changed his name at some point.

To answer your question I have wondered if Jonas may have been a father to one or more of the children, but he consistently lists himself as unmarried on the census records and when we try to build a tree for him we don’t get any traction.

Another odd thing is that Charles 1801 married Mary Hornby in Otley and William 1819 married Mary Gill in Otley. Given they consistently say they are from Idle (including Mary Gill) I’m not sure why. Unless they were a nonconformist religion. I have noticed that many of our mystery DNA matches are connected to the Latter Day Saints. I have nothing tangible as evidence though.
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Gill
Stead
Pawson
Holmes
Craven
Gaunt
Austin
Wells/Coultas
Hardisty
Grange
Wedgeworth/Knox
From: Bradford, Pudsey, Idle, Calverley & Norfolk

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 April 22 10:49 BST (UK) »
Hi,

You've obviously done a huge amount of research and may well have seen this but a Joseph Ingram was apprehended for a 'swindle' during which he used the named Charles Henry Holdsworth. The report is from 1849 so I'm not sure how it fits with your family timeline but the mis-use of the name is interesting. The report starts at the top of column 3.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000193/18490929/032/0007
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Branfoot - N Yorkshire, Northumberland & County Durham
Horwell - York, E Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
Bettley - N & W Yorkshire

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #12 on: Friday 15 April 22 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi,

You've obviously done a huge amount of research and may well have seen this but a Joseph Ingram was apprehended for a 'swindle' during which he used the named Charles Henry Holdsworth. The report is from 1849 so I'm not sure how it fits with your family timeline but the mis-use of the name is interesting. The report starts at the top of column 3.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000193/18490929/032/0007

Thanks for this link I will check it out.  That is the one area of research I’m pretty weak in.  I’m hopeless as finding newspaper information.

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Jill
Holdsworth
Gill
Stead
Pawson
Holmes
Craven
Gaunt
Austin
Wells/Coultas
Hardisty
Grange
Wedgeworth/Knox
From: Bradford, Pudsey, Idle, Calverley & Norfolk


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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #13 on: Friday 15 April 22 13:47 BST (UK) »
You state that Jonas Holdsworth shown is on the 1841 census with Charles Holdsworth is listed as uncle on the 1861 census with a John and Mary Ibbotson in Idle.

John Ibbotson married Mary Holdsworth in 1843.

Jonas’ birth place is stated as Heaton. I think Jonas and Charles are brothers so perhaps worth looking for Holdsworth baptisms in Heaton.

Charles may have moved to Idle when he got his farm there. The 1841 census only gives the county of birth.

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #14 on: Friday 15 April 22 15:30 BST (UK) »
Also a John H'worth living in Idle, b Heaton abt 1810, might be related. He's married to Alice (Murgatroyd I think)
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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #15 on: Friday 15 April 22 17:38 BST (UK) »
Hi,

You've obviously done a huge amount of research and may well have seen this but a Joseph Ingram was apprehended for a 'swindle' during which he used the named Charles Henry Holdsworth. The report is from 1849 so I'm not sure how it fits with your family timeline but the mis-use of the name is interesting. The report starts at the top of column 3.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000193/18490929/032/0007

Thanks for this article. I’m not sure if or how it could fit into my family, but it and in fact that whole page of news, certainly shows how common swindling was.  It’s becoming the only thing that makes sense.
Holdsworth
Gill
Stead
Pawson
Holmes
Craven
Gaunt
Austin
Wells/Coultas
Hardisty
Grange
Wedgeworth/Knox
From: Bradford, Pudsey, Idle, Calverley & Norfolk

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #16 on: Friday 15 April 22 17:43 BST (UK) »
Also a John H'worth living in Idle, b Heaton abt 1810, might be related. He's married to Alice (Murgatroyd I think)

The Holdsworth name was prolific in the 19th and 20th centuries in Yorkshire. Heaton was the area many of my relatives lived, but only my line appear to use the name Charles and I’ve never found a parish register birth for a Charles that fit.  William 1819 said on his marriage certificate that his Father was Charles a Farmer, but there are no records that actually support this, not that I can find anyway.
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Gill
Stead
Pawson
Holmes
Craven
Gaunt
Austin
Wells/Coultas
Hardisty
Grange
Wedgeworth/Knox
From: Bradford, Pudsey, Idle, Calverley & Norfolk

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Re: New, Old topic. Still looking for my Holdsworth family line
« Reply #17 on: Friday 15 April 22 23:04 BST (UK) »
I do find looking at old newspapers fascinating. Some things are so similar and some so different.

I've had another quick search just on Charles rather than Charles Henry and it turned up this from 1841 - bottom of column 2 https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/viewer/bl/0000336/18411023/026/0008
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Branfoot - N Yorkshire, Northumberland & County Durham
Horwell - York, E Yorkshire & Lincolnshire
Bettley - N & W Yorkshire