Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?

[kdsoph]

In 1844 There is a Henry Heaney arriving with his presumed older brother Hugh, who were born in Cavan, Ireland onboard "The Wallace". I thought woohoo! but...this record is attached to another Henry Heaney on many Ancestry trees who married a Catherine McCarthy on the 29 Sep 1846 at St James' Church, Melbourne.

2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque

I think you can safely assume that the Collingwood Henry was not stealing cheques in Hay in 1871, so did not arrive on the Wallace.

The description of 'large nose and mouth' could fit your Henry if the photo attached to family trees is indeed him, but it is not very clear.

Someone is sending cheques from Hay to Ballarat in 1870/71.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197560519

Another case of a letter containing money being lost in-course of transit through the Post-office is notified in the Police Qazette as follows:—Stolen in course of transit by post between Hay, N. S. Wales and Ballarat, about the 20th September last, a letter addressed “Ellen H. Heaney, care of Mr Searl draper, Ligar street, Ballarat,” containing two £1 notes, on the Bank of Victoria, Melbourne...

Debra  [/list]

I figured I could safely assume that the Collingwood Henry is not the same as mine in Hay in 1871 but, please forgive me, I am not sure why this means that my Henry did not arrive on the Wallace ...I am a bit slow on the uptake.

I agree that the gaol description sounded about right but not conclusive.

It was in 1871 that Henry was convicted in hay and gaoled so I feel that he could have told Ellen a white lie there re her cheque "being in the mail".

[kdsoph]

This is a silly question as I'm sure you'd have thought of it - are there any clues on Ellen's death certificate?

Judith

Not a silly idea! I don't have Ellen's death cert so I will need to order a transcript! thank you

[kdsoph]

1. Grazing cattle in 1870 in Ballarat
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
3. Cab Horse racing in 1873
4. In 1878 there was a Henry Heaney working as a shepherd in Buckimguy, Mara Creek, New South Wales. This is near Dubbo where his eldest son, George was a carpenter/builder.
5. dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died.
6. living in Jolimont aged 86 working as a carter

 
Kind Regards
Kim

Please note that on the marriage certificate between Henry and Ellen, Ellen who was perfectly literate (as evidenced by the book in her hand in the photo), signed her name as Helen MOONEY. So to .....

Sighting 4

George HEANEY Carpenter of Dubbo died in 1938
His parents recorded as Henry and Helen #16711

This is his death notice.
His age at death matches his birth index, as does his parents names
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/160914107


Sighting number 5
"......dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died."

He died in 1897
No, Brigham Henry whose Victorian will is  digitized died in Ballarat and his remains were taken from his home there to the Ballarat Cemetery. The Kew asylum person is not relevant I think.
Death notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/210359793

 A note for your  interest..
When Arthur HEANEY’s house burnt in Ballarat in 1898, his aged mother was in the house alone . He was a bacon curer of Ballarat. 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/9787217

The year of her death was also 1898.

Sue

Oh how insightful!

I am not sure that Ellen was literate as I have not found any evidence of it. The book in their portrait was possibly a bible. I need to research Ellen in greater detail than I have.

I have discounted the Henry dying in Kew asylum as I have identified him as being the son of the Collinwood Henry! So we can strike off Sighting 5.

We can also strike off Sighting 6 as I discovered that Collingwood Henry and his sons were taxi drivers.

Ellen died 7 May 1898 aged 74, so it was likely the fire on Jan 16th at her son Arthur's house contributed to her death but it didn't cause it directly as in she didn't die that day. She is buried with her son Brigham and a grandchild in New Ballarat Cemetery.

Thank you so much for looking all of this up for me.

Kim

[kdsoph]

If anyone needs to see my work in its entirety and in chronological order, this is the link to Henry Heaney in my ancestry tree

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/54765258/person/13718759626/facts


so many thanks
Kim

[sparrett]

 
[/li][/list][li]In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate

A death certificate does not normally mention the whereabouts of the father of the deceased.
The statement that Henry was a bacon curer may have been a best guess on the part of the informant made many years after the disappearance of Henry.  I would consider it not relevant.

An observation here of no special help. For partners in a marriage of almost 20 years duration to suddenly have very strong oppositional viewpoints about religion and for that reason alone to  separate seems unlikely. 

The question of how did Ellen HEANEY manage to support her family has been asked and I had a thought that  Mr SEARL ( mentioned as a draper in the lost cheque issue) may have been of assistance  to her.

 This news item about boys playing truant offers a hint . Note the phrase “…bringing up his children…”
Two boys named HEANEY and SEARLE in trouble in Ballarat, aged 10 in 1875
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200184846

This item about the same incident suggests again that Mr SEARLE was "responsible" for both boys
“…a lecture on control of his children”
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/200184841

Back to George HEANEY in Dubbo for a moment. A queston..
 
Where is the news item that specifically says that Henry HEANEY, a shepherd, and victim of a theft,  near Dubbo was the father of George HEANEY the builder?
We may acknowledge that your Henry HEANEY was the father of that George, but how do you connect the the shepherd Henry  to George?



 

[Dundee]

Just a couple of things - you haven't linked Arthur and Noble's gaol record but the copies on NSW State records are much better quality.

Arthur

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2080101

Noble

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX469889

Also the bicycle incident was in Maryborough, Victoria, not in Queensland.

An article about the stolen cheque where Henry's surname is incorrectly reported as HEALEY.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145705489

I think the boys were Frederick William HEANEY and Charles SEARLE who was the son of James SEARLE and Catherine MAHONEY.

Debra 

[kdsoph]

Just a couple of things - you haven't linked Arthur and Noble's gaol record but the copies on NSW State records are much better quality.

Arthur

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX2080101

Noble

https://records-primo.hosted.exlibrisgroup.com/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&docid=INDEX469889

Also the bicycle incident was in Maryborough, Victoria, not in Queensland.

An article about the stolen cheque where Henry's surname is incorrectly reported as HEALEY.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145705489

I think the boys were Frederick William HEANEY and Charles SEARLE who was the son of James SEARLE and Catherine MAHONEY.

Debra 

OMgosh! Debra!

Thank you. Geography has never been my strong point and as such, I spend a lot of time on Google Maps, but skipped over the Maryborough clue because I am a Qldander and have never been to Victoria, so I committed a cardinal sin and "assumed". It seems obvious now!

It hadn't occurred to me to search for Mr Searle! Perhaps Ellen worked for him?

Thank you for the links to Arthur and Noble's criminal records. My face is aching from smiling so much! Arthur didn't age well but that's not surprising and Noble has a Brad Pitt thing going on there!

You are amazing and have taught me never to disregard ANY NAME or CLUE!

[kdsoph]

 
[/li][/list][li]In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate

A death certificate does not normally mention the whereabouts of the father of the deceased.
Back to George HEANEY in Dubbo for a moment. A queston..
 
Where is the news item that specifically says that Henry HEANEY, a shepherd, and victim of a theft,  near Dubbo was the father of George HEANEY the builder?
We may acknowledge that your Henry HEANEY was the father of that George, but how do you connect the the shepherd Henry  to George?



 

Simple answer is there is none but...

His eldest son, George somehow made his way to the Dubbo area of NSW, married there in 1884 and I asked myself why?
It just made sense to me that George reconnected with his father, who was a shepherd in the area in 1878.

George a "selector" (I don't know what this is - cows or sheep maybe) and his brother Francis had some sort of connection with Murrumbidgerie Station in 1894 and he is listed as a bankrupt there in 1909. His other brother, Arthur lived with him there in 1915.

So why were all 3 boys in Dubbo NSW if not to initially reconnect with their father. Plus there aren't any other Henry Heaney's that I can find in NSW.

Sometimes I make stuff up, so thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow   

George ended up dying there

[majm]

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George a "selector" (I don't know what this is - cows or sheep maybe) and his brother Francis had some sort of connection with Murrumbidgerie Station in 1894 and he is listed as a bankrupt there in 1909. His other brother, Arthur lived with him there in 1915.

So why were all 3 boys in Dubbo NSW if not to initially reconnect with their father. Plus there aren't any other Henry Heaney's that I can find in NSW.

Sometimes I make stuff up, so thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow   

George ended up dying there
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Mr Google can be your friend.

https://www.historyskills.com/finding-sources/modern-history/squatters-and-selectors-sources/
and
https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/introduction-robertson-land-acts

and of course RChat's own search engine 
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=735254.0

You may well have some elusive blanks on the rural/regional marriages for your ancestors in NSW prior to say 1895.  The information was recorded but only summary details submitted to NSW BDM.  NSW BDM has not ever fully reconciled their own summary details with the parish records.

A very long thread now, but it explains how to go about sorting and establishing the ages of the bride and groom, their occupations, their usual addresses, their parents names (including mums' former and maiden names) their dad's occupations and all the vital family history info you need to actually have confidence that you are joining NSW dots.    https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0

JM