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Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« on: Thursday 14 April 22 21:40 BST (UK) »
      Hi there!

      I have a Heaney issue that is driving me nuts and need your help really really badly.
      My 3xg-grandfather was Henry Heaney (Heany) but he was never born, never arrived in Australia and isn't dead yet!  ::) He did, however, marry my 3xg-grandmother and have 9 children with her ;D.

      The facts I have been working with to trace his origins are scant. this is what I know...

      • Henry Heaney was in born in Co. Cavan, Ireland. I think it was around 1820-1823. I have his birthplace from 2 of his children's birth cerificates.
      • He married Ellen Elizabeth Mooney (abt. 1824- 1898) in the Scots Church, Collins St, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia on the 26th August 1850.
      • Their 9 children were all born in Back Creek, Boroondara, (Kew).
      • In 1865 he was a gardener as per his son Fred's birth cert
      • Henry and Ellen split up in about 1867 and according to family "legend" this was due to religious differences
      • In 1887 he was in QLD according to his daughter Matilda Brash's marriage certificate
    • In 1894 he was a bacon curer in Ballarat as per his son, Brigham Henry Heany's death certificate
    In 1931 his son Arthur's death certificate tells us he was an orchardist[/li]

Now here is the kicker...
In 1844 There is a Henry Heaney arriving with his presumed older brother Hugh, who were born in Cavan, Ireland onboard "The Wallace". I thought woohoo! but...this record is attached to another Henry Heaney on many Ancestry trees who married a Catherine McCarthy on the 29 Sep 1846 at St James' Church, Melbourne. This Henry is well documented as far as Electoral Rolls etc go and was a Carpenter living in Collingwood. This Henry had 7 children with Catherine whilst living at Rokeby St., Collingwood. He died in 1909 at this address at the age of 81.

I cannot find another Henry Heaney arriving in Australia nor born here nor dying here.

Venting to a friend, she suggested that perhaps either "my" Henry (or Ellen) were Mormon due to the name of their 6th son Brigham which would allow Henry to have 2 wives!

I also have random sightings of a Henry Heaney;

1. Grazing cattle in 1870 in Ballarat
2. In Deniliquin Gaol in 1871 age 49 for larceny of a cheque
3. Cab Horse racing in 1873
4. In 1878 there was a Henry Heaney working as a shepherd in Buckimguy, Mara Creek, New South Wales. This is near Dubbo where his eldest son, George was a carpenter/builder.
5. dying in Kew Asylum in 1894 but the problem with this is that this Henry was 41 and in 1894 my Henry was 74. This could have been his son Brigham who preferred Henery as a name but Brigham was 36 when he died.
6. living in Jolimont aged 86 working as a carter

So in this case, too much information just muddies the water. :'(

Would anyone be able to direct me to what my next steps could be to find my Henry Heaney's birth, death, parents etc?

I have attached some certificates mentioned above.


Kind Regards
Kim






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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 April 22 22:21 BST (UK) »
Hi,

It can be important to remember:

 :) Not all passenger lists include individual names of passengers who came steerage
 :) not all shipping clerks could spell surnames
 :)  not all clerks could write neatly,  many were excellent scribblers
 :) each British colony had its own admin system for recording info about the people arriving, departinng, bdm, etc.   
 :) Vic was still part of NSW until1851, so look in NSW archives, newspapers, etc.
 :) just because someone else says their ancestor arrived in 1844 with his bro,  does NOT mean you cannot consider that same passenger.
 :) some NSW prisoner records from late 1800s can include photo, native place and SHIP OF ARRIVAL

ADD

Civil registration bdm events start 1850s in NSW and Vic.  Until then, nothing was coompulsory, and until post WWI,  no real bdm admin system in place to check if all quarterly returns lodged and received and processed.

Keep looking

JM
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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 April 22 22:43 BST (UK) »
Hi,

It can be important to remember:

 :) Not all passenger lists include individual names of passengers who came steerage
 :) not all shipping clerks could spell surnames
 :)  not all clerks could write neatly,  many were excellent scribblers
 :) each British colony had its own admin system for recording info about the people arriving, departinng, bdm, etc.   
 :) Vic was still part of NSW until1851, so look in NSW archives, newspapers, etc.
 :) just because someone else says their ancestor arrived in 1844 with his bro,  does NOT mean you cannot consider that same passenger.
 :) some NSW prisoner records from late 1800s can include photo, native place and SHIP OF ARRIVAL

ADD

Civil registration bdm events start 1850s in NSW and Vic.  Until then, nothing was coompulsory, and until post WWI,  no real bdm admin system in place to check if all quarterly returns lodged and received and processed.

Keep looking

JM



Although I am quite exhausted from my search I will take your advice and peruse the NSW records which I have attempted but was so overwhelmed with such random information I already have, I was reticent to continue.

Fully aware that the "Henry and Hugh" onboard the Wallace are most likely mine but, as I have no other arrival I just couldn't take it as wrote.

I will plough on. Thank you so much! ...again JM

Kind Regards
Kim
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Medieval: Browne, Cooke, Scot, Bridgwood, Mee

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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 April 22 00:04 BST (UK) »
Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838,  single, aged 18, Wesleyan,  See  Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives,  ref 4/4780 etc.  NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage,  married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland),  Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect. 

Henry, son of Patrick EGAN and Ellen HEANEY baptised St Mary’s RC, Sydney 18 December 1825.

Try the BDA biographical database – a fairly new, and definitely an ongoing project.   There is a nominal annual subscription.

https://www.bda-online.org.au/

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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 April 22 00:15 BST (UK) »
NSW State Archives

Digitised passenger list for that Mandarin Oct 1838 arrival IS online, at NSW State Archives.  https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5313&item=4_4780&ship=Mandarin

Reel 2654

 ;D  fingers crossed

JM

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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 April 22 00:52 BST (UK) »
Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838,  single, aged 18, Wesleyan,  See  Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives,  ref 4/4780 etc.  NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage,  married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland),  Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect. 

Henry, son of Patrick EGAN and Ellen HEANEY baptised St Mary’s RC, Sydney 18 December 1825.

Try the BDA biographical database – a fairly new, and definitely an ongoing project.   There is a nominal annual subscription.

https://www.bda-online.org.au/

JM


You are wonderful but I can't see Henry on the list at all. The Hugh Heaney listed was from Armagh and my Henry was from Cavan
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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 April 22 01:52 BST (UK) »

" I have his birthplace from 2 of his children's birth certificates."

From the the birth certificate, 1865, Frederick William Heaney, informant Ellen HEANEY, gives birthplace of Henry HEANEY to  be County Cavan. Ellen is giving the birthplace information.

Which other birth certificate records birthplace for Henry HEANEY, and who is the informant?

If Ellen HEANEY was left with a large family when her husband Henry left them, how did Ellen support her children?

The death certificate for Brigham Henry HEANEY, died 1897, is difficult to read. What information is given for parents....who is the informant?  Where is Brigham buried?


"In 1887 he was in QLD according to his daughter Matilda Brash's marriage certificate"

I am familiar with a marriage certificate that records names of parents, but not the location of parents.

Can you transcribe the wording that includes this information.



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Re: Henry Heaney - were there 2 or did he have 2 wives and families?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 April 22 02:06 BST (UK) »

Is this the source of the story about Henry HEANEY leaving his family?

The Ballarat Star 3 Jul 1867 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/112876162?
Wife Desertion.—Henry HEANEY, charged with having deserted his wife, was discharged, as the wife did not press the case against him.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 April 22 02:23 BST (UK) »
Henry HEANEY per the Mandarin, arriving NSW 18 Oct 1838, departed Belfast 14 June 1838,  single, aged 18, Wesleyan,  See  Passengers on Government Ships as per NSW State Archives,  ref 4/4780 etc.  NOTE that Hugh HEANEY per same voyage,  married, aged 27, previous residence Armagh (Ireland),  Methodist, a Bricklayer employed Sydney by Colonial Architect. 

I don't think this is correct.  The 18 year old was Robert HEANEY, Hugh's brother.  Henry was Hugh's son and 3 years old.

Interesting aside - Hugh and Ann had a daughter Eliza Jane in 1840 after their arrival.  She went on to marry notorious blackbirder Henry Ross LEWIN.

Debra  :)