Ancestry DNA new feature SideView splits ethnicity by parent + ethnicity update

[melba_schmelba]

According to Ancestry of the 50% from my Parent 1 :-

England and NW Europe ZERO
Ireland 21%
Southern Italy 17%
Norway 3%
Scotland 4%
Greece 3%
Wales 1%
Others 1%

Which means my Dad did not have the background he thought he had or he was not my Dad.

Well the southern Italy would probably go with the Greece, making about a 1/4 i.e. one of your grandparents was probably of wholly southern Italian descent, but not necessarily born there - many Anglo-Italians intermarry up to the present day, although the rate would be much diminished from the early 1900s. Presumably you have Italian DNA matches that reflect this?

[TonyV]

Do you know that Parent 1 was your dad?

[Biggles50]

Do you know that Parent 1 was your dad?

Yes, via my Mothers side there are over 60 linked DNA matched Cousins now in my tree.  Each maternal Grandparent line has multiple DNA matches and both sets of maternal Great Grandparents themselves are Common Ancestors to some of the DNA matches via their other children.  Hence no doubt my maternal Grandparents are who they are, English for over 300 years.

Its the paternal side that a NPE has occurred, but to confuse matters I do have DNA matches via both of my Paternal Great Grandmothers.

To discount any thoughts of cross fertilisation each of my Grandparents were geographically spread apart, Paternal - North Lancs and Monmouthshire, Maternal - Yorkshire and Cheshire

[melba_schmelba]

Do you know that Parent 1 was your dad?

Yes, via my Mothers side there are over 60 linked DNA matched Cousins now in my tree.  Each maternal Grandparent line has multiple DNA matches and both sets of maternal Great Grandparents themselves are Common Ancestors to some of the DNA matches via their other children.  Hence no doubt my maternal Grandparents are who they are, English for over 300 years.

Its the paternal side that a NPE has occurred, but to confuse matters I do have DNA matches via both of my Paternal Great Grandmothers.

To discount any thoughts of cross fertilisation each of my Grandparents were geographically spread apart, Paternal - North Lancs and Monmouthshire, Maternal - Yorkshire and Cheshire

Hmm, that's odd . So you have absolutely confirmed DNA matches for both of your father's grandmother's, but none for the men you presumed to be his grandfathers ? It would seems fairly unlikely that two women both had affairs with Italians and their children then married , so it seems the algorithm might be overestimating the DNA a bit. There were definitely Italians that I know of who settled in north Lancashire in Barrow where they were often ice cream sellers and café proprietors, but also in Wales and around Liverpool and Manchester

https://anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/articles/patterns.php
https://www.ourmigrationstory.org.uk/oms/italian-immigration-to-britain

Have you gone through your matches to see if any matches or trees have obvious Italian names in?

[Biggles50]

Yes it is very odd.

Only two DNA matches linked to my Paternal Great Grandmother’s family in Herfordshire and there are two on my Lancastrian’s Great Grandmother side that are in my tree but there are about five others whose DNA match mine and their trees have a certain surname and location.

Hence it is the paternal side that the questions arise.

Now waiting for the next cut in Ancestry test fees so my Cousins can be tested to try to verify I am on the right track.

Really must gen up on the technical side of DNA to see if that can help some of the matches are on Gedmatch

[melba_schmelba]

Yes it is very odd.

Only two DNA matches linked to my Paternal Great Grandmother’s family in Herfordshire and there are two on my Lancastrian’s Great Grandmother side that are in my tree but there are about five others whose DNA match mine and their trees have a certain surname and location.

Hence it is the paternal side that the questions arise.

Now waiting for the next cut in Ancestry test fees so my Cousins can be tested to try to verify I am on the right track.

Really must gen up on the technical side of DNA to see if that can help some of the matches are on Gedmatch

You need to mark all your top matches that you are 100% sure of with colour coded groups if you have not already. If people have only small trees try to expand the trees to all four grandparents, and eight great grandparents if you can, then you might start to see a pattern. It may be there are people there of Italian descent, but now have English surnames. If you do have Italian ancestry, you might expect some not too distant American, Canadian or Australian matches on that line too. Go through all matches methodically, any sign of Italian ancestry add to an Italy group.

[Shortcut]

My recently updated ethnicity results from Ancestry DNA leave me totally confused. The results show that I have not inherited ANY England & Northwestern European ethnicity from my mother, and I have an unexpected, and abnormally high level of Scottish ethnicity on that side.
My confusion is in relation to to a few aspects.
1. Why no English when, in my own estimate, there should be about 20 to 25% on my mum's side. I understand that inheritence is 'hit & miss' and you might not get any from a parent, but NONE, when at least 4 out of 8 of my 2x gt grandparents on mum's side have known English origins!
2. If the 'no English' is accepted, then how is it that I have shared matches with scores of individuals who are from those various English lines. That is, if I didn't inherit the English ethnicity, what is used to determine how I share DNA with those matches?
3. As for my 'high level' of Scottish ethnicity but no English, I am curious as to whether other users have found that Ancestry DNA is reporting unexpectedly high percentage of Scottish ethnicity?
Thanks

[Ruskie]

A recent thread which discusses the subject:
[ Moderator Comment: Topics Merged ]

[Biggles50]

My Tree is very extensive over 6000 people going back 1500 years and since from 1800 the tree has been expanded sideways generation by generation as far as I can go to help DNA matching.

Your colour coding suggestion is what I started to do a year or so ago and I have even printed a 7 generation pedigree chart and placed a mark against an xGGP pair that I share them with a specific DNA match.  I have also produced a Leeds Method chart.

So using the marked pedigree chart I can visually see where there is a lack of DNA matches.

Tree is slightly screwed in that my paternal Great Great Grandfather is unknown but if I place in a certain person of Italian origin than the relationships with other DNA matches work and this could account for part of my Italian Ethnicity Estimate that Ancestry reports on.  My unlinked 364 cM match has Irish origins so that too can account in the Ancestry Estimate why I have strong Irish Italian ethnicity.