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Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« on: Thursday 14 April 22 17:40 BST (UK) »
Trying to find death records and location for William John JAMISON, born @1848. (he may have been born in Scotland, or Belfast, it is not known).
Married Mary Jane BOAL (b. Belfast @1848) at the Agnes St Presbyterian Church, Belfast, 15 May 1872.
Mary Jane was probably already pregnant, and that may be the reason they immediately left Belfast for Glasgow where Wllm John JAMISON had work as a Mercantile Clerk.
They had 4 sons - Robert b. 25 Dec 1872; Joseph b. 3 Dec 1873; Wllm Henry b. 12 Feb 1876; Thomas b. 12 June 1877.  All born and baptised in Glasgow.
Home address was 16 Rowchester St, Bridgeton, Glasgow.

I cannot find them in the 1881 Scotland Census.

And no further records until the 1901 IRELAND Census where wife Mary Jane is living in Candahar St, Belfast with sons Robert (28) and Wllm Henry (25) both working as commercial clerks. The census (completed by eldest son Robert so I assume it's correct) states that Mary Jane is 'married' (not widowed).
Mary Jane BOAL Jamison dies 22 Nov 1910 at the home of her eldest son Robert at 30 Indiana Ave, Belfast.
(All the IRELAND facts/records I can confirm as 100%)
So trying to find out what happened to William John JAMISON.
Did he die in Glasgow - which would explain why Mary Jane goes back (maybe before the 1881 census but certainly before 1901) to her home in Belfast with her children? Or did William John abandon them and carry on living in Scotland?
Would appreciate very much any help with this mystery. We have been researching for decades - and no one in my family tree has found the answers. Thank you :-)
Philadelphia, USA: Linton, Shallcross, Beagle.
Northern Ireland: Co Derry: Linton, Ross. Co. Down: Jamison, Graham.

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Re: Wllm Henry JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 April 22 21:14 BST (UK) »
Was he William Henry or William John? His marriage notice in Belfast shows him as William John.

You have a note of son Joseph's death in Glasgow?

JOSEPH JAMISON
Age 2
Mother's maiden name BOAL
1875
644/2 251
Camlachie

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Re: Wllm Henry JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 April 22 21:35 BST (UK) »
No mention of father being deceased when son Robert married in 1908 was there? https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10069/5662610.pdf

Although he did show as deceased when Mary Boal died in 1910
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05414/4512943.pdf

With him showing as working as a commercial traveller, I wonder if this is why you didn't find him with the family in 1901?

Hard to say really with the info available isn't it  :-\

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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 April 22 23:38 BST (UK) »
Monica!
Thank you. And how embarrassing for me to get his NAME WRONG!! Arghhh! Confused myself :-0
Yes, it is indeed William JOHN Jamison and his son is William Henry. I have corrected the post.
And what a star for finding Joseph's death at 2yrs. I had thought he made it to adulthood as I found another marriage later but had not confirmed it. So this is a bonus. Thank you :-)
Kind Regards, Rachael
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Northern Ireland: Co Derry: Linton, Ross. Co. Down: Jamison, Graham.


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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 April 22 19:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Rachael

Just some new possibilities you could consider further to follow up...

I think I have potentially identified two brothers for William John. Both came over from Ireland and married Glasgow born women.

Hard to be more certain at the moment as so far we only have William John's father as Joseph, a Storekeeper. William John showing as Grocer and Druggist on his marriage reg in 1872 https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11304/8147619.pdf

Later registrations for chidren and death of wife show him as a commercial traveller don't they?

Rachael, has anyone had any success tracing further William's family (parents/siblings)?

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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 April 22 19:41 BST (UK) »
First potential brother was a Joseph Paterson Jamison, born mid 1850s in Ireland.

He married Mary Anderson Dick in Glasgow in 1874. No family names for him as witnesses. His parents are given as Joseph Jamieson, Grocer Master, and Jane Pa(t)terson. Neither are noted as deceased.

In 1891, the family is living in Denistoun area of Glasgow:

Joseph Jamieson 35 Drapers Traveller b. Ireland
Mary Jamieson 34 b. Glasgow
Jeannie Jamieson 15
Joseph Jamieson 13
James Jamieson 7
Hugh Jamieson 5
Catherine Jamieson 3
William D Jamieson 11 months

Address: 257 Duke St, Glasgow

In 1901, the family are living at 8 Somerville Place, Glasgow/Calton. Joseph is showing as a Draper. A few more children in the household: Alexander 9, Mary 7 and Rachel 2.

Joseph I think died on 19 Nov 1934. There is a corresponding death reg for a 78 year old Joseph in 1934 in Cathcart.

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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 April 22 19:51 BST (UK) »
Just seen there is a family tree for your line on A/try www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/107164619/person/290194048698/facts (a subs is needed to be able to view).

Noticed that it shows the family address for William John and wife Mary as 16 Rowchester St, Bridgeton in the 1870s when their children were being born.

This is the address that Joseph gave as his residence at the time of his marriage in 1874...which helps a lot when trying to find connections/verifications!

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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 April 22 20:09 BST (UK) »
The other brother was David.

Possible for his birth:

David Jamieson
Birth 26 Mar 1865 Ballylesson, Down, Ireland
Parents Joseph Jamieson and Jane Patterson

David married Annie Frame in 1889 in the Dennistoun area. By this time, parents Joseph Jamieson and Jane Patterson are both showing as deceased. A Robert Jamieson was a witness...a further brother?

1891 entry:

David Jamieson 25 cloth finisher b. Ireland   
Annie Jamieson 19 b. Glasgow
Alexander Jamieson 1

Address: 3 Glenpark St, Glasgow/Camlachie

For 1901, the family are down in Broughton area in Lancashire:

David Jameson 31 cloth finisher b. BELFAST, Ireland
Annie Jameson 28
Alexander Jameson 11
Joseph Jameson 7
William Jameson 3
Elizabeth Jameson 1

Monica

Added: If you have access Rachael, a family tree for David here www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/181679551/person/172367742497/facts

Also one for Joseph, brother www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/159415911/person/192087047959/facts
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Re: Wllm John JAMISON death 19thC Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 April 22 20:19 BST (UK) »
A Robert Jamieson was a witness...a further brother?


Not only a brother to David, but his twin  ::)

Birth reg for the two boys here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03577/2318353.pdf

Store keeper was also how Joseph was described on William John's marriage reg.

Parents' marriage in 1847 in Lisburn https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1847/09331/5379023.pdf

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