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Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« on: Saturday 09 April 22 13:09 BST (UK) »
Here's a tough one: I'm helping members of the extended GASSIOT family make sense of research done in 1980s and before.  What can this mean -

John Peter Gassiot and "his much younger" brother Francis Joseph Gassiot first appear in Church of England records in 1816. At this time they were assigned as scribes in the Carshalton Barony, Borough of Surrey, City of London. Both men were unmarried at the time.

That is taken from notes left by a family member based in America, who served with the navy and did research while on postings. He has now died and the family only have access to a summary note from 1984. The geography has clearly got jumbled, but it must be based on something seen, perhaps secondary. But what?? Much of his other research stacks up, even if he made mistakes (don't we all!) or misunderstood some things.

Incidentally I've dated John Peter as aged 18 in 1816 and he dated Francis as aged 7 - rather young to be a "scribe". (I'm still looking for a birth record for him - to complicate things, the family is French / Spanish origin and John Peter was baptised as a catholic)

Any and all insights much appreciated....

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 April 22 15:27 BST (UK) »
Ancestry has a Spanish baptism index for

Francisco Joseph Geroni Gassiot Vial
Birth & baptism same day 12 Nov 1795

Parents Ramon Gassiot & Francisca Vial.

Image is on FS film 1171838

Is that the same family?

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 April 22 16:25 BST (UK) »
Interesting! Could very well be part of the extended family, given timing and names, perhaps a cousin. The previous research locates the family origins to Spain and France, with the father of the two boys coming to London around 1790. I'm trying to bottom out the family here before trying to go back another generation. And that 1816 reference is the only concrete mention of Francis - who later emigrated to America, hence the interest in him.

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 April 22 16:53 BST (UK) »
What are the names of John Peter’s parents?

Added. Got them

John Peter & Henrietta/Harriet Dixon


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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 April 22 17:04 BST (UK) »
There is this Church of Scotland baptism 

GASSIOT
SAMUEL
JOHN PETER/GASSIOT HARRIET DIXON FR2786 (FR2786)
M
30/05/1813
685/1
550 74
Edinburgh

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 April 22 18:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you - always good to get a second pair of eyes. Samuel is a strange one, the original research didn't pick him up, perhaps because he was looking in London not Scotland,  but I can't find a later mention. I presumed an infant death, but then saw the register I was looking at was compiled in 1820. All very odd. Actually, if Francis was born in 1809, I reckon the family would have been in Edinburgh by then (from other records), which makes the alleged 1816 appearance of the brothers in London so odd. So it all comes back to that.

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 April 22 20:51 BST (UK) »
There is this Church of Scotland baptism 

GASSIOT
SAMUEL
JOHN PETER/GASSIOT HARRIET DIXON FR2786 (FR2786)
M
30/05/1813
685/1
550 74
Edinburgh

The Caledonian Mercury (1808, 1812. 1813, 1815) contains advertisements for French and Spanish language classes run by Mr Gassiot/Messrs Gassiot and Son. The Edinburgh Post Office Directory calls him J Gassiot teacher of European languages. There does not seem to be an entry in the directory after 1816-17.

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 April 22 21:54 BST (UK) »
I realise this is not the question you are asking. But how have you “undone”. Samuel born 1813 and Peter born 1799 and the Peter Gassiot/Samuel Dixon  who married Sarah Ware

It seems odd for Peter Gassiot  to be alias Samuel Dixon if he had a brother named Samuel.


Back to your actual question

Nothing in the Lambeth Palace library catalogue but it does say that is being added to all the time.

What is the original source information that Francis was born 1809?  And that his parents are John Peter & Henrietta?


Passport application 1828 USA. Age 26.   So born 1802

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Re: Unscrambling obscure 1816 Church of England source
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 April 22 22:12 BST (UK) »
England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Joannes Petrus Gassiot
Birth date 02 Apr 1797
Southwark, St George's Cathedral, Surrey
Father's name John Peter Gassiot
Mother's first name(s) Henriettae

Parents married in Leeds in March 1795. Bride's name: Harriet Dixon. Residence: London.