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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 April 22 11:57 BST (UK) »
Not sure what you are looking for and I think I am just giving the same information here as the trees

1841 857/14/15

Phoebe Gascoin 9 yrs with parents William and Hannah and several siblings living in Greasley.

However, the tree I am looking at shows Hannah Severn Gascoigne in 1861 with William.

In 1851 2125/220/52
Shows William b Tetbury, Staffs as a widower.

There is a death in 1849 for Hannah Gascoyne, 52 yrs and possible marriages later for William and another Hannah.

Is that what you have found?
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 April 22 12:18 BST (UK) »
Then you have this marriage in 1854 Basford

Phoebe Gascoyne and Samuel Birkin

In 1861 2434/29/27

Samuel is shown as a widower

Also in 1861 there is a William and Phoebe Birkin. She is 46 yrs old.
In 1864 there is a death for Phoebe aged 48 yrs.

The tree I see is showing this death for Phoebe Gascoyne Birkin.

Just found a death for Phoebe Pirkin 25 yrs 1858 Basford.
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 April 22 12:19 BST (UK) »
Do these findings agree with your personal searches?

Those names are therefore linked but the trees are perhaps wrong.

I have not gone back further as not sure where you want to take it.
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 10 April 22 12:24 BST (UK) »
It would be best if you gave us the details of the actual Severn line you are descended from or are researching without any references to other trees or other surnames etc

Are you descended from Andrew Severn - father of Hilda Mary? 
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 10 April 22 12:28 BST (UK) »
Rereading this I realise that you are searching in Codnor,  Derbyshire not Greasley, Nottinghamshire.

As others have advised, it’s best to work back from the one who is of interest and if you have done this, you could post here for someone to check if you are unsure. We are always happy to do that.  :)
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 10 April 22 12:36 BST (UK) »
See my replies 6 & 7.  The death date you gave for Hilda Mary Severn in your opening post relates to a married woman born as Hilda Snape with a different birthdate who died in Codnor.   She did not have a middle name.

The birthdate you gave appears to relate to a Hilda Mary Harper who did not die in Codnor - death registered in Doncaster

You can understand our confusion hence my request above - reply 12

We just want to make sure that you are following the correct line & that we are providing the right info
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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 10 April 22 13:51 BST (UK) »
It would be best if you gave us the details of the actual Severn line you are descended from or are researching without any references to other trees or other surnames etc

Are you descended from Andrew Severn - father of Hilda Mary?

I am related to the following,

1/. Mary Burgoyne
B:1879 Ripley Derbyshire England

D:Mar 1930 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England


Who was married to,

2/. Andrew Severn
B:18 Nov 1878 Codnor, Derbyshire, England.

D:Jun 1953 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England.


From the following tree (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/41549759/family/familyview?cfpid=19642380888&fpid=19642380931&usePUBJs=true).

Yet this tree (https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/163334478/family/familyview?cfpid=182331199941)

Mentions that the "Severn" which is in my tree can be traced back to Greasley and also has links to the Birkin, but is this 100% correct?

Also why are people so nasty? I have not been doing this long and I am new to researching family history.

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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 10 April 22 14:02 BST (UK) »
Nobody on RC has been nasty.  We are trying to help you but none of the info you gave in your opening post tied in with facts found online.    As I commented earlier - we want to make sure we are following the right line.

It is a well documented fact that a very high proportion of trees are badly researched & can cause a great deal of confusion.  This is why we strongly recommend you do your own research.  Whilst reference to a tree can be useful - you still need to check whether that info is correct.



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Re: Severn or Severns, Birkin link help.
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 10 April 22 14:15 BST (UK) »
I certainly echo that no one is being nasty. As you can see, I hope, we are trying to help. You can see in my posts where some published trees have the wrong information and this can then lead to all sorts of mix ups. :)

If you have searched your tree and verified it, then ignore the others. If you ever have time to search, you will find several threads on here from exasperated people who have found such wrong information and things being ‘stolen’ from their trees and used incorrectly.
Often when these errors are pointed out the parties concerned can be dismissive/angry/apathetic so in the end it’s best to just stick to your own.
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