Luttman marriage Petworth

[JethroBodine]

I think the theory that Sarah Luttman was single has merit.  Perhaps Mrs was a misreading of handwriting (Although, I think I remember seeing it myself).

Was there a will by the elder Peter Lutman or his wife Joanna?

It would be strange for her first marriage to be at age 39.

[ciderdrinker]

Good Morning
Yes there was a Will for Peter Luttman the elder recorded under the Bishop of Chichester in 1740.
I assume a copy can be obatianed from Sussex archives.

Ciderdrinker

[jonwarrn]

Yes there was a Will for Peter Luttman the elder recorded under the Bishop of Chichester in 1740.
I assume a copy can be obatianed from Sussex archives.

You can see it on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWLS-CV1

[JethroBodine]

So in 1740, His daughter Sarah was still called Sarah Luttman at age 31.

[JethroBodine]

I have trouble reading the handwriting. Does Peter’s will mention his wife?  Does Joanna have a will ca1742?  Could Sarah Luttman have married another Luttman (cousin)?

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Good spot on the Will.
After the preamble about God and being decently buried etc.
He leaves his messages and barn ,stable ,riverside garden situated in the Market Place at Petworth called the Dyehouse to his son Andrew.It was purchased from Joseph Morris.
From it he and his heirs must pay Peter's funeral expenses and debts.
His loving wife Joanna gets an annual payment of £10 to be paid quarterly on the Quarter Days.
She also gets the best bed and pillows sheets etc.
Andrew gets a silver tankard and five spoons bought at Peter's marriage marked P LF
Thomas his son and his daughter Sarah Luttman get half each of the silver plate.
Thomas £5
Sarah £100 to be paid six months after my death.She also gets a damask tablecloth napikins .
And remainder of personel effects to be disposed of after the payment of his death to son Andrew.
Andrew is the executor
And there are Overseers Richard Goiodyear Gent and Nicholas Grifford?

No Will for Joanna but Andrew's Will of 1767 cracks it
He leaves his messages and stables etc to his brother Thomas for life and then to his nephew Peter Luttman.
To his sister Sarah Nashwidow to be paid  yearly payments of £10 to be paid by Thomas or Peter starting 6 months after Andrews death with half yearly payments.
Nephew Peter £100
Niece Mary Luttman £200,£100 in six months and £100 after the death of his brother Thomas.
Niece Jane Nash £150 to be paid eighteen months after the death of her mother
Servant Sarah Smith £50 to be paid 6 months after his death.
The rest goes to his brother Thomas
6.12.1767

It is on Familysearch https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DYX3-5DJ?i=771&cat=1022203
no 772 in 1767
So it is the right family and for some reason Sarah who is unmarried in 1747 is called Mrs. Could it be that she is serving at Court and the custom is to call her Mrs?
Anyway it is definitely her.

Thomas's Will 1773 says he is a grocer
Wife Elizabeth bedstead and bolsters etc and other linen
The interest of £200 for life and the rent of his copyhold property for life to give her a comfortable life.
Daughter Mary £50 to be paid within 6 months.And £200 after her mother's death and if Mary should die first the money goes to her children.She also gets a silver watch,coffeen pot and salver,6 silver teaspoons ,linen and pewter plates but her mother shall get the use of it first.
Son Peter  a gold watch ,a silver watch and the remaining plate.
Peter is the Excutor
3.5.1773

/www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DSS-NVZ?i=675&cat=1022203
1773 no 676
It doesn't mention Sarah or Jane but you may as well have them all

So that solves it.

Ciderdrinker

[Redroger]

Are you certain the surname is Luttman and not Luffman?Remember there was no standard spelling of names before the late 18th century. I have acquired no less than 13 surname variants, one of which is in fact Luttman. Though extremely uncommon there are Luffman records throughout Southern England, a lot of which are in Hampshire and West Sussex.Regarding appearance on a census, though it is true to say that names did not appear on the UK census until 1841, the census was introduced in 1801, and there are errors where some (a very few) places did record names and just numbers, so it might just be worth googling "pre 1841 census records" and see what if anything appears.

[Little Nell]

I think the theory that Sarah Luttman was single has merit.  Perhaps Mrs was a misreading of handwriting (Although, I think I remember seeing it myself).

It was quite normal to use Mrs to describe women from the genteel classes who were single so that is not necessarily an indication of a woman's marital status.

Since the Luttmans you are looking seem to be of a higher social standing, it is not unexpected to see the unmarried Sarah described as Mrs.

Nell

[JethroBodine]

 Thanks for all the help.  This is great.  Now I need to find out why Sarah’s daughter Jane Nash, who later is shown as Jane Yeomans, has her children recorded as base born in their christening records.