Luttman marriage Petworth

[JethroBodine]

Looking for marriage in Petworth area of a Luttman to a Sarah (unknown).  1715-1745.  Also any census showing  Sarah Luttman after.  She remarried to Gawen Harris Nash ca1747.  Any census showing Sarah Nash after 1747.  Any deaths connected. Thanks.

[mckha489]

There is this one

Richard Lutman m Sarah Adakes 23 Apr 1735 Hunston, Sussex
FHL Film Number:   2186970


The film is on FS here   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LH9-BKV?mode=g&cat=1022439

I’ll leave it to you to find the original image.

[Little Nell]

Sarah was a widow when she married Richard.  Both were recorded as of Sidlesham.  Richard was a carpenter (from the marriage licence).  Hunston is not that close to Petworth.  Where does Petworth fit in?

Where did the 1747 marriage take place?

She won't appear on any census since the earliest nationwide census with proper names recorded is 1841.  I doubt she lived that long!

Nell

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
The third  marriage 1747  is at St georges Chapel Windsor and they are both of Petworth.
It looks like Richard died at Petworth burial 19.3.1736.(but could be their son)
Child bapt at Sidlesham Richard 14.10.1735
So Sarah was pregnant when she married.

Gawan Harris Nash bapt at Petworth 2.6.1724 s of GH Nash and Mary .
Buried 9.8.1752 St Georges Chapel Windsor
Daughter Jane bapt at Windsor 26 Feb 1748.

There are two PCC Wills for a Gawan Harris Nash  1753 and 1785 which should help.
The first desires to be buried in the vault with his two dear wives and the 1785 seems to be Sarah's step son.But to be honest I'm quite confused that the man's Will 1753 has a son in the Army.

Ah I get it Sarah married the father -Gawan Harris Nash who died in 1752 and was born 11.7.1699 at Petworth.

Therefore Sarah Nash widow buried at Petworth 28.2.1780 could well be her.


Ciderdrinker

[Little Nell]

Thanks, ciderdrinker.

Sarah Nash was buried 28 Feb 1780 at Petworth. Her will (reference STC I/43/346 at WSRO) is viewable here on FamilySearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4W4-27?i=430&cat=1022203

Mentions her own daughter Jane (now married) and her nephew Peter Luttman.

A Richard Lutman left a will in 1738 ref STC I/36/336 - haven't found that image yet.

Nell

[JethroBodine]

Is there a marriage is Sarah and an Adakes?  Does marriage to Richard Luttman call her a widow?

[JethroBodine]

Not sure the Richard Luttman Sarah Adakes is the right one.  Saw a pedigree published that had this Sarah and Richard dying after the marriage to  Nash.  And son Richard living after 1800.  No mention of Richard in Sarah Nash will.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Yes I'm begining have doublts too.
There is a latter possible probate for Richard from the 1750's which looks like Sarah's husband and a couple of possible deaths.And they are not at Petworth.

Following up the nephew Peter Luttman.
There is a baptism at Petworth 8.10.1736 born 27th Sept s of Thomas and Elizabeth Lutmann.
Peter is a tallow chandler and grocer.He takes on an apprentice Thomas Poulter in 1778 and another John Wallbutt in 1786. There is a PCC Will 1810 .It mentions a cousin William Long and nieces and nephews Martha ,Jane and Henry Hale.

His father Thomas was baptised 15.5.1708 at Petworth .There is a possible marriage to a Elizabeth Hareby widow 19.5.1734 but that is in the wilds of Horncastle Lincolnshire
Children Peter 1736 and Mary 6.6.1739
Thomas was buried 23.2.1772 and left a Will in the Bp of Chichester records at Sussex.

Grandfather Peter Lutman bapt 26.6.1676 s of John at Petworth
He married Joanna Sandham in London at St Peters and Pauls Wharf 1.12.1706 .Both of Petworth and by licence.(she was buried 16.12.1742 at Petworth widow)
Children Andrew 13.11.1707 ,Thomas 15.5.1708 and Sarah 8.3.1709 All at Petworth
Will again at Sussex 1740

.So in theory Mrs Sarah Luttman should be the wife of Andrew .But I can see no marriage and his Will is provern 1767.
So is Mrs Sarah Luttman the sister who is unmarried?

Ciderdrinker

[Little Nell]

Does marriage to Richard Luttman call her a widow?

Yes it does - see my post #2 here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=860772.msg7298969#msg7298969

I've also looked at the original PR marriage entry in 1735.  It definitely says that Sarah is a widow and that both parties were of Sidlesham.

There is a baptism on 14 Oct 1735 at Sidlesham for a Richard Lutman, son of Richard and Sarah.  That might explain the need to marry somewhere other than Sidlesham and by licence.  There are no more baptisms to these parents at Sidlesham.  A Richard and Ann start baptising children in late 1750s.

Two burials at Sidlesham for Sarah Lutman:
22 May 1763
and
18 Dec 1760

The Richard Lutman who was buried in Petworth 19 Mar 1736 was aged 78.

I can't find a marriage in Sussex between a Sarah and an Adaker that would fit the dates or a burial for an Adaker that makes any sense.

The marriage at Hunston doesn't feel right for the later events.

Nell