Amelia Smith

[rosie99]

Looking closely at the 1921 census it appears Amelia was born New Brunswick or do I need my eyes tested.

John

If you need your eyes testing then so do I  . It certainly looks like N.B to me

[softly softly]

What specsavers shall we meet at as they have a 2 for 1 deal currently on

John

[Ladyhawk]

Was Amelia definitely Lena's daughter or could she be Frederick Wards daughter?

Or could she be an illegitimate daughter of a sister of Frederick's

1901 census he has sisters named Gertie born 1888 & May born 1890.

Frederick's parents Peter & Mary Ward and two of his younger sisters Dinah & Irene Ward plus a nephew & niece surname Ward are also on the same 1921 census.

Amelia certainly proving difficult to find other than the 1921 Census of Canada entry 

[CaroleW]

She isn't entered as Smith so there is just an assumption based on her age that she is Lena's daughter.

[TrinaMac]

Thank you one and all for the help. When Amelia showed up on the 1921 census I had several questions. I wondered why Fred was not there but did find him on a Chatham, NB census living in a wood house occupying 9 rooms, this let me to believe perhaps Lena, Amelia and baby Frances were visiting Freds parents. I also wondered why Lena was the first name on the list and wondered does it matter. Amelia is shown as a daughter with her Mom born in England. I was told that Fred was adopted but not able to confirm so maybe Amelia was too.
I also Believe Fred Ward lied about his age to join the war effort as the 1911 census show him as 15.
What a tangled webb we weave.

[Ladyhawk]

I wondered why Fred was not there but did find him on a Chatham, NB census living in a wood house occupying 9 rooms, this let me to believe perhaps Lena, Amelia and baby Frances were visiting Freds parents. I also wondered why Lena was the first name on the list and wondered does it matter. Amelia is shown as a daughter with her Mom born in England.

There is a Fred Ward 'M' age 28 who appears on the previous page (1) last name on page, occ labourer, Roman Catholic and Lena Ward is on page (2) first name on page of 1921 census

I have added a snippet of page 1

1921 Census of Canada
New Brunswick
Northumberland
Sub-District 34 - Chatham (Parish)

Province New Brunswick
District No 44
Enumerated by  A B Cole
Enumeration sub district No 34
Town  of Chatham
Enumerator June 1/21

[Ladyhawk]

I was told that Fred was adopted but not able to confirm so maybe Amelia was too.

When Lena Margarita Smith married 4 Nov 1919 by License she was age 22, C of E, born Hastings her Parents Charles E and Frances May Smith

Fred J Ward age 23,  Presbyterian, born Tracadie N.B.
Parents Peter and Mary Ward
Both resident Chatham N.B.
He signed as Fred James Ward, witness was Lily Mary Lewis

1919 marriage entry from Acadia, Canada, Vital and Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1757-1946 have added snippet below

Is this his birth but not with surname Ward ?

Frederic Beaudin
Birth 7 Jan 1896 Tracadie, Gloucester, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Pierre Beaudin, farmer Mother:   Marie Louise Godin
New Brunswick, Canada, Births and Late Registrations, 1810-1906

Is this the marriage of his parents?

Peter Beaudin Age:   24, born Grand River, R.C., fisherman
Marriage 31 Jul 1892 Gloucester, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Peter Beaudin Mother:   Elizabeth WARD
Spouse:   Mary Louisa Godin 28 born Tracadie N.B. R.C.., Widow
No parents names given for Mary Louisa

Canadian census
Peter Ward   43
Mary Ward   48
Fred Ward   15
Gertie Ward   13
May Ward   11
Dena Ward   9
Irene Ward   5
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV95-5B8R

Are these the births of some of his siblings?

Marie Dorothie Beaudin
Birth 3 Nov 1897 St-Tracadie, Gloucester, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Pierre Beaudin, farmer Mother:   Marie Louise Godin

Mary Beaudin
Birth 1 May 1900 Loggieville, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Peter Beaudin Mother:   Mary Gaudin

Mary Delina Ward
Birth 15 Apr 1902 Chatham, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Peter Ward Mother:   Mary Louise Godin

Frederick J Warde age 29
Departure Contact:   Wife Lena Margaret, Chatham Head N.B.
Birth Place:   Tracadie, New Brunswick
Arrival Date:   23 Nov 1925
Port of Arrival:   Vanceboro, Maine, USA
Arrival Contact:   Sister Mrs. John Mcgrath, 82 Newton St
U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960

His sister Dina married a McGrath - this appears to be their marriage but her mother is named as Delina Rodin

Mary Delina Ward age 21, born Loggieville, N.B., R.C.
Marriage :   10 Jul 1923 Chatham, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Peter Ward Mother:   Delina Rodin
Spouse:   John McGrath

1930 US census she is named as Dianna with husband John and their two children

Delina McGrath age 23, accompanied 2 children arrival 15 Aug 1925
father Peter Ward husband John, 25 Howe St, Marlboro., Mass.
U.S., Records of Aliens Pre-Examined in Canada, 1904-1954

I'm posting some other information below to see what you and anyone else thinks - perhaps Amelia age 8 on 1921 census dittoed as Ward might have a connection to Mary Louise Godin and Amelia had a different name 

[Ladyhawk]

Could this be a daughter of Mary Louisa Godin the widow who married Peter Beaudin

Marie Emilie Vienneau Birth 27 May 1889 Liucadu, Gloucester, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Guillaume Vienneau Mother: Marie Louise Godin

There’s this 1911 census for a

Amelia Savoy age 29 (1882) New Brunswick, wife
Province:   New Brunswick
District:   Northumberland
District Number:   30
Sub-District:   10
Sub-District Number:   10
Place of Habitation:   Loggieville
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Family Number:   40
Household Members:   
Stanley Savoy   30
Alvena Savoy   2 daughter
Plus lodger
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV95-5B8R
Maybe just a coincidence but this SAVOY family and the WARD family are on the same 1911 but in different households

Did Amelia Vinneau marry Stanley Savoy and have daughters named
Malvina born 1908 & Marie Amelia Savoy born 1913? - not found a marriage for Amelia & Stanley nor birth records for two girls 

Have found these two possible marriage entries

Mary Amelia SAVOY age 21 (b1913), born Loggieville N.B., maid, R.C.
Marriage    6 Nov 1934 Chatham, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Stanislaus Savoy Mother:   Amelia Vienneau
Spouse:   Francis DRUET
One witness Melvina SAVOY

Mary Amelia DRUET died 1995 buried in St Charles Nativity R.C. Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/212734183/mary-amelia-druet

Melvina Savoy age 27 born Loggiville, R.C., housekeeper
Marriage:   23 Sep 1935 Victoria, New Brunswick, Canada
Father:   Stanislaus Savoy Mother:   Emilie Vienneau
Spouse:   Louis Thibodeau

1985 burial of Melvina (nee Savoy)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/204325056/melvina-m.-thibodeau

Hopes this makes some sort of sense is it possible that

Marie Emilie VINNEAU born 27 May 1889 daughter of William &
Mary Louise(a) GODIN the possible widow who married Peter Beaudin and parents of Fred J Ward ?
Could Marie Emilie be the mother of the Amelia dittoed as WARD age 8 born N.B on the 1911 1921 census with Lena Ward and this Amelia married as Mary Amelia SAVOY (edited) age 21 (born 1913) on 6 Nov 1934 at Chatham, Northumberland, New Brunswick, Canada, she signed as Amelia SAVOY
Father:    Stanislaus Savoy Mother: Amelia Vienneau

One thing that is troubling me is Mary married Peter Beaudin not Ward and married as GODIN, widow and not Vinneau, widow

[ChrissieL]

You have done some amazing research there Ladyhawk. I have been following it carefully and it does make sense. I see a lot of the females in the same families have 'Marie' or 'Mary' as their first name so it would make sense that to avoid confusion they use their middle name.

Chris