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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 26 March 22 12:43 GMT (UK) »
It could be that the trees are incorrect. The John of Broxton was also a carter and his wife Mary Jones. If the marriage certificate gives the father as John, a carter, it would still leave doubt, unless it has a precise age for John jnr. or a key witness.

Some more on the Liverpool family:-

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
John Edward Woolley
Birth date 24 Jun 1893
Admission year 1903
School name Blue Coat School, Wavetree
Parents John James Woolley

Going by his middle name:

John James Woolley, Van Driver aged 20 of Pilgrim Street, son of Matthew Woolley, Drayman, married
Marion Elizabeth Jones, aged 20 of Stafford Street, daughter of Thomas Jones, Car Driver,
on 25th December 1885 at Liverpool St Peter.

First three children on 1891 Census at Forbes Street, West Derby:
  Edith Elizabeth, of 5 Mount Pleasant, born 30 October 1886, baptised on 17th November, at Liverpool, St Peter.
  Annie, of 25 Cardigan St Wavertree, baptised at Edge Hill, St Catherine, on 23rd May 1888.
  Frank, of Harbord Street, baptised on 8th October 1889, at Liverpool, St Peter.

Cheshire: John Wolley (sic), baptised on 3rd May 1903 at Bickerton, son of John, a carrier, and Mary.

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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 26 March 22 12:56 GMT (UK) »
As both Johns (fathers) are in 1901 census with different ages and places of birth, then they can’t be the same person.

Births - Nantwich - mmn Jones
1897 Elsie Elizabeth
1898 Mabel
1900 Bessie - died 1900
1901 Mary - Polly (1911). May in first post
1903 John

This family seems to be the one listed by idyia14.

Mary (mother) looks to be born in Cheshire so where does the information re Liverpool come from?
John says he is married in 1911.

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There is also a birth and death for Hilda Mary Woolley 1895/6
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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:11 GMT (UK) »
From 1901 info
This looks like Mary

1881 3543/57/9
Mary Jones 5 yrs b Burmardsley, Cheshire
With parents Jabez and Mary and siblings

And John Woolley
1891 2858/117
John Woolley 32 yrs b Spurstow
With mother Betty and brother Richard
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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:20 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage - 1894 Nantwich with John Woolley and Mary Jones on the same page.
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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:52 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage - 1894 Nantwich with John Woolley and Mary Jones on the same page.

20 June 1894 - Bickerton

John Woolley, 36, bachelor, Labourer.  Father: John (deceased), Tailor
Mary Jones, 19, spinster.  Father:  James (deceased), Labourer

Oliver Woolley is one of the witnesses.  Residence for both parties ins Bulkeley.

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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 26 March 22 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all the info. It's late here in Australia so I will look at it all tomorrow and see what I can figure out. Will also answer your questions if I can.

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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 26 March 22 14:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks BumbleB. That’s helpful.

It is all speculative at the moment and that information fits  :)
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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 26 March 22 18:09 GMT (UK) »

John (born ~1904) had sisters Elsie, May, Hilda and Mabel who had daughters Joan, Nora, Freda and Eileen - cousins to John (born 1927), but I don't know which daughter belongs to which of the mothers, nor who the mothers' spouses were.


Joan, Nora and Freda were Mabel’s children. She was widowed as Wilson in WW1 1918 and remarried Warburton in 1921.
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Re: Woolleys of Liverpool or Broxton, Cheshire
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 27 March 22 06:14 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for all of your helpful postings.

The Woolley information as it was passed to me by the family:
John Christopher Woolley was born on 21st December 1927 in Liverpool (Bootle) England.

His parents were John Woolley who died on 9th January 1936 - aged 32 (Liverpool) England, and Angelia Maria Trimarco - her father was Italian

John Christopher immigrated to Australia arriving on 10th February 1949 on the “Ranchi”.
He died on 18th January 2011 in Perth, Western Australia.

John Christopher is reported to have said that there was only one son in his family and they were always called John.

There is also a newspaper clipping which says “My name is John Christopher Woolley. I arrived in Australia in 1949 but I’ve not seen my relatives on my father’s side since 1936 when he died. They are my father’s sisters and nieces and lived in Broxton, Cheshire: Aunt Elsie, May, Hilda and Mabel and cousins Joan, Nora, Frda (sic) and Eileen. Grandma Woolley lived in Blackburn Street, Liverpool, until she died in 1936. I would love to hear from them”, followed by an address in Perth, Western Australia.
Unfortunately there is no other information on the cutting so I don’t know where or when the advert was posted.

I have found the following in the BMD indexes which tie up with the information provided by the family and which I believe to be correct:
John Woolley, death aged 32, Mar qtr 1936, Prescot, Vol 8b, Page 915
John C Woolley, birth, mmn Trimarco, Dec qtr 1927, registered in West Derby, Vol 8b Page 809
John Woolley married Angela M Trimarco, Dec qtr 1926, registered in Liverpool, Vol 8b Page 287

There is also a death for Mary Woolley, aged 60, Mar qtr 1936, Liverpool South, Vol 8b, Page 283 – I wondered it this could be his mother. This would mean that she was born about 1876.

I, too, am tending towards the 1901 census from Cheshire, mainly because the names tie up and the fact that the Mary Woolley who died in 1936 was born in 1876, the same year as the Mary in the census record.

Given that “Freda” was written as “Frda” in the newspaper clipping, perhaps “Mary” was inadvertantly recorded as “May”?

The 1894 Nantwich marriage ties in with regard to the dates, too – and with the comment that there was always only one son named John in the family – so that is possibly the same family. Broxton, Bulkeley and Nantwich are all in the same general area.

I had previously found the marriage of a Mabel Woolley to George W. Wison but could not get it to tie in with the children, so your comment about her having been widowed makes sense. How do you know that he died in 1918? I have now found her remarriage to Stanley Warburton and births of Joan and Nora Warburton, but not Freda. The only Freda Wilson I can find was born in 1920 after George Wilson’s death. Could he have actually died in late 1919 after fathering Freda but before her birth? Do you have any Vols, Page numbers for the births of Joan, Norah and Freda?