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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 11 June 23 18:41 BST (UK) »
The one's the raise the eyebrow for me are those where a family seems to have slipped from upper-Middle Class or even Nobility to Working Class or even poverty (or vice-versa) within the matter of a generation.

Make no mistake, it happens but a family's social standing normally takes multiple generations to change meaningfully, especially pre-19th century when economic mobility was far more restricted.
England: Bramham, Harris, Watson, Harrison, Laycock, Anderson, Douglas
Scotland: McDonald, Lee, Cruickshanks
Ireland: Conway, Kelly

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #37 on: Monday 12 June 23 08:48 BST (UK) »
I've had baptism records for 1874 suggested for people born in 1802.

Finally baptised at 72? A likely story.

I chanced upon a baptism in 1865 of someone born in 1787. That makes them 78 !

Unusual, but not impossible.  The image is at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=819989.0
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #38 on: Monday 12 June 23 13:36 BST (UK) »
I would hope someone else would point out my tree mistakes if/when they found them. I'm fallible and although I'm careful to always check Ancestry hints, I do make typo's on occasion.
Davis - Berkshire & London
Sutcliffe - Yorkshire & London
Harrington - Ireland and London
Fuller - Cambridgeshire and Essex
Waldron/Waldren - Devon & London
Frisby and Lee - Leicestershire
Hollingsworth - Essex
Williams - Ireland? and London
Ellis, Reed & Temple - London
Lane - ?
Surplice/Surplus - Cambridgeshire
Elwood - Cambridgeshire

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 09 July 23 12:25 BST (UK) »
Someone 'borrowed' most (well all to be honest) of my  TP tree, including images I'd added borders and titles too. However thy made a bit of of a mess of things, such as the marriage of a woman to her 4xg grandson? (I forget which it was exactly now). Apparently they had seven children although neither was alive for a century or so before or after the children were born. When asked about it the  reply was along the lines of the source tree must hav been wrong and warned me to avoid it. It's still there today unchanged and we're not talking about a personal tree on a site here, it's one of those collaborative trees anyone can view and suggest edits for. I gave up after a few days as it needs deleting but apparently that's not an option.  It's bookmarked in my favourites as 'bargepole tree'.
 


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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 09 July 23 16:37 BST (UK) »
Having finally given in and done my DNA i was quite excited to discover a possible link, to a sister (Margaret) of my great grandfather (James). They were both born in Cork in the mid 1850s but in Cardiff for the 1861 census, with no mention of Margaret with the rest of the family, though there was an older sister.

Looking at his tree he had his Margaret married to my great grandfather whose wife was a Margaret but Mahony (ie not his sister). He had over 100 children born to her parents, in Ireland, the USA, England and Wales, and goodness knows how many partners for each. Some births in the same year, despite the distance. I had missed her as she was a servant a few streets away from the family and said to be born in Cardiff. Despite his initial insistence that we were related, when i eventually unravelled the family I believe his Margaret was my great grandfather's sister, but he was reluctant to accept my findings, and didn't see anything wrong with his tree. He has however now updated his tree, giving totally different parents to his Margaret (despite initially having the right father), with her father now born 50 years after her birth (and 10 years after her death), and her mother 30 years after her birth. I'm not bothering to contact him again.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 09 July 23 19:39 BST (UK) »
 :o ;D ;D ;D

I've come across a tree like that too. They have a woman married to 4 or 5 people of the same name, having children with each one well into her 70s. In reality the "husbands" are her husband, son, grandson and great grandson. In the same tree, another person has over 130 siblings!!!  :o

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 09 July 23 19:41 BST (UK) »
:o ;D ;D ;D

I've come across a tree like that too. They have a woman married to 4 or 5 people of the same name, having children with each one well into her 70s. In reality the "husbands" are her husband, son, grandson and great grandson. In the same tree, another person has over 130 siblings!!!  :o

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CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 09 July 23 20:39 BST (UK) »
I can beat that  ;D
An Ancestry tree has Hannah BROOMHILL born abt 1800 in Stone, Kent, baptised in Lancashire 5th July 1899!
 Her death is noted as after 1833, Stone, Kent.

I've had baptism records for 1874 suggested for people born in 1802.

Finally baptised at 72? A likely story.

I chanced upon a baptism in 1865 of someone born in 1787. That makes them 78 !

Unusual, but not impossible.  The image is at https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=819989.0
KENT:
Stutely - Wittersham & Stone
Padgham - Wittersham
Wanstall - Northbourne
Taylor - Ringwould & Ash
Skinner - Deal
Bushell - Walmer
Spain - Walmer
Also
Schloss - Poland, Nottingham, Massachusetts & New Zealand.
Cohen - Birmingham

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Re: Impossible births
« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 11 July 23 09:22 BST (UK) »
I have seen someone born 1702 is listed on the 1851 census according to one Ancestry tree.

And people having children after they died.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain