NPE Nightmare!

[brigidmac]

Has she got any siblings who might be more willing to test ?

My aunt was thrilled with idea of spitting into a tube age 90 to see if she could discover any living cousins or nephews and nieces the other side of the world 🙂

Ps I wonder if Callum has seen all these answers yet

[TheCurlyLocks]

If you have uncles that could test and either other siblings or cousins that will help because you all inherit different bits .

If grandma doesn't want to test that's understandable .

Sometimes it may not look as if there is a match because a cousins grandmother could have a different surname but this could be to to with a remarriage some people put the latest married surname on their tree example granny JONES. Who'd been previously married to a LEA but was actually born a JONES
Or your  father grandfather or great-grandfather  may have been adopted so is who he says he is on all documents but may have had a different birth name .this would affect your matches .

I'm also intrigued to know what led you to those conclusions

For various odd reasons one of them is my grandmother told me how just a few weeks before my great grandmother got pregnant with my grandmother her and my great grandfather were about to get divorced and she was planning on leaving him shortly but after the pregnancy decided to stay

I also have that 2-3rd cousin match who has shared matches with me with about 8 other people and them 8 people are all defendants of a couple born in the 1840s who have connection to me at all on any of my lines.

I also have a 4-6th Cousin Match and I share about 30 shared matches with him who connects back to some man from 1840s Staffordshire who immigrated to Pennsylvania and only some of them shared matches actually have him on their tree so I think this man just went with random women really. I also have Italian in my DNA Results which does not fit anywhere (yes I know its an estimate) but still weird to come out of nowhere and my great grandmother had very dark tanned skin

I would go into depth about all the reasons but we would be here for a while

[brigidmac]

That's very interesting .

I helped someone who had lots of Pennsylvania matches we traced the common ancestor back to someone who went to salt lake city became latter day saint and had several wives and lots of children American descendants tend to test more readily than British ones so she had a lot of matches from that one line .

They didn't all have a man in common as the younger  wives also had several remarriages
So if the mutual ancestor is a woman you can expect different surnames

Looks like you could  identified your grandmother's true birth father or narrow it down
A second cousin level can be a half first
Cousin as only share one grandparent

[brigidmac]

By the way do you check ethnicity and origins of your matches for Italian ? What percentage do you have .?

Sorry to be nosey but this kind of result can help others .( I help adoptees + their descendants ...my grandmother was adopted)

[Ruskie]

Gee Callum, it would be ideal if you can persuade your grandmother to test, and would make your life easier.
Could you try a different approach to change her mind? Maybe if you promise not to tell her your findings if she doesn’t want to know?

 

I'm on grandma's side.
Roshinish and tonepad have given good advice.

Agreed. Very good advice.

Regarding DNA testing, it is generally recommended to test the oldest living person, hence my suggestion to try again with grandma. I bet many of us wish we still had our grandparents who we could ask to take a test - I thought is would be a shame if Callum missed that opportunity.

He is welcome to take up or ignore any suggestions offered. 

[TheCurlyLocks]

By the way do you check ethnicity and origins of your matches for Italian ? What percentage do you have .?

Sorry to be nosey but this kind of result can help others .( I help adoptees + their descendants ...my grandmother was adopted)

Its 6% and when I look for matches with Italian in their tree I notice there is a lot of Toscana region in my matches that also have Italian percentages, and I some random Western Asian in the results as well.

This 2nd cousin match I share 123CM and with him I share about 4 other matches who are 4-6th cousins and share around 20-40CM. I went through all the descendants of this couple but could not find the dude with a name matching my DNAs matches name as I believe if I found where this 2nd cousin fits in I could probably a lot easier find out who my actual great grandfather is. But I cant find any trace of him despite being an obvious descendant of that couple

[mcollett]

Hi Callum

Re the dna match and their ancestor per your post

"I have used the leads method for a 2nd Cousin Match and I know he is the descendant of William Collett and Charlotte Robbins from Worcestershire, England and this couple had about 9 children and none of their descendants I could track marrying into the Bennett surname and having a child with that name at any point and all shared matches with this person are 4-6th cousins or 5-8th cousins that share that 1840s couple or their grandparents".

I descend from that lineage, and I have a broad tree spanning siblings and cousins so I can check my tree for any marriage to Bennett if that's your missing link.

William and Charlotte are my x2 great grand uncle & aunt. Williams brother James is my x2 grt grandfather.

I'll take a look as I have traced a lot of these ancestors and their offspring.

This post is over a year old, but hopefully you'll see this reply 

Kind regards,
Michelle Collett

[TheCurlyLocks]

Hey there feel free to email me at * for more details. I have found out its definitely a grandson through her child called Lydia Collett and Thomas Crane through closer dna matches on the crane line.

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